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Old 07-08-2022, 05:56 PM
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Is there any juncture against sharing your interpretation of a koan with another ? Would that rob their experience of a possible epiphany ? And to be commended for your insightful interpretation…..to what purpose ? To serve your ego

Why not share interpretations with others ? The more help one gives to others the better, that's what Buddhism is all about
As for 'Ego', Buddhism views a healthy ego as being necessary to interact with the world in 'skilful' ways.

https://studybuddhism.com/en/tibetan...a-practice-ego
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Old 07-08-2022, 06:07 PM
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What caught my attention was:

"When the many are reduced to one, to what is the one reduced?"

Less than many
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Old 07-08-2022, 06:12 PM
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Why not share interpretations with others ? The more help one gives to others url]

Basically it is the difference between gnosis and episteme…..
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Old 07-08-2022, 06:26 PM
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Basically it is the difference between gnosis and episteme…..

Two different routes leading to the same knowledge
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Old 07-08-2022, 09:41 PM
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Yes, very sure according to the experts who can't find any trace of it before 1036 and then found in Zen Classics.

I trust your research on this. It does sound too "Zen" for the Buddha.
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"When the many are reduced to one, to what is the one reduced?"


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Less than many

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Old 07-08-2022, 10:32 PM
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Is there any juncture against sharing your interpretation of a koan with another ? Would that rob their experience of a possible epiphany ? And to be commended for your insightful interpretation…..to what purpose ? To serve your ego ?


First of all, there is no juncture against sharing one's interpretation of a koan with another (as we are doing here). There are many cases where a teacher gives a public response in assembly and lets the assembly approach the koan in whatever way they choose. Sometimes, the koan story itself includes responses by more than one student. Often, however, a teacher gives a student a particular koan best suited to moving that particular student along as my teacher often did with me in Zen-like fashion. Such koans are generally processed alone individually with periodic consultations with the teacher. A "community effort" might not be advisable in such cases since it raises the typical difficulty where one student benefits by solving/influencing the discussion and then giving his/her answer to the others. In any case, each situation is unique so there is no "correct" answer to your question. As mentioned previously, there is also no single approved answer to a koan.

In addition, there is something somewhat unique in Zen. It's called a "dharma battle". On the one hand, such dharma battles take place when an advanced disciple from one monastery makes visits to different Zen Masters at different monasteries with the intention of testing his depth of understanding of Zen. It's like a rite of passage in a sense.

On the other hand, dharma battles are attempts to bring out what it is impossible to bring out. In other words, a dharma battle is not something to be won or lost but a matter of finding a way to express the inexpressible in a fresh, original, creative manner. They're actually quite fun and certainly not an "ego trip".

Since I believe that you have a Christian orientation, I can think of two Zen-like interactions between Jesus and the Scribes/Pharisees where a question is answered in such a way that the questioner is stunned into silence. Two examples come to mind immediately and I'm sure that you know the whole story in each case:

1. "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone."

2. "Render to Caesar the things that are Caesar's and to God the things that are God's".

Neither is "serving the ego" but both are brilliant Zen-like responses (as in a dharma battle) that silenced the questioners by answering the question in a fresh, original, unexpected manner.

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Old 07-08-2022, 10:57 PM
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Two different routes leading to the same knowledge

Not all knowledge is created equal……😊
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Old 08-08-2022, 06:10 AM
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I trust your research on this. It does sound too "Zen" for the Buddha.

But we can still enjoy it
Words are not always needed to connect to others.....
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Not all knowledge is created equal……😊


Who cares as long as we learn
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