The Problem of Human Suffering. - Page 8

#71 17-06-2011, 05:08 PM

[quote=Chrysaetos]
If you want to get eliminate or destroy that, you may as well remove your brain. What you can do is focus on things you like, and bury suffering. But life is situational, you may never know what will happen next.

From personal experience on a day to day level. You can focus on the things you like. But that is still avoidance. Let me tell 'Ourself' based on personal experience. Focus on the things you like. That negativity will still pop up somewhere along the road. It is when you stop fighting it, and surrender to what is is when that negativity will transform into peace. Believe it. I went though resistance with OCD anxiety on a daily basis for 5 years. Trust me, it's all resistance. By avoiding the negative by focusing on what you want, "I've done that too." That negativity will still pop up sooner or later. When you see negativity as love then the negativity stops as well.

Chrysaetos · #72 17-06-2011, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by moke64916

From personal experience on a day to day level. You can focus on the things you like. But that is still avoidance. Let me tell 'Ourself' based on personal experience. Focus on the things you like. That negativity will still pop up somewhere along the road. It is when you stop fighting it, and surrender to what is is when that negativity will transform into peace. Believe it. I went though resistance with OCD anxiety on a daily basis for 5 years. Trust me, it's all resistance. By avoiding the negative by focusing on what you want, "I've done that too." That negativity will still pop up sooner or later. When you see negativity as love then the negativity stops as well.

When I say ''things you like'' I am not simply talking about playing tennis or reading a comic. I am talking about it in the broadest possible sense.. for some people that may include meditation and spiritual practices.

But you will never eradicate 'suffering' when you are here on earth. You can bury it but it may come back. You don't know what the future brings..

Miss Hepburn · #73 17-06-2011, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by moke64916

IT TAKES 63 MUSCLES TO FROWN, AND 23 TO SMILE.

But only one to slap you upside the head....you forgot the rest of that quote...

Yes, if one can just observe all the feelings with no resistance and not much attachment either, and never personally, so-to-speak - yes, that is key
to less suffering, you got that right ! Exactly.
I've been practicing that for 3 years now.
It's working great.

Miss Hepburn

Oh, and my OCD is gone -... gone.

#74 17-06-2011, 06:18 PM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

But only one to slap you upside the head....you forgot the rest of that quote...

Yes, if one can just observe all the feelings with no resistance and not much attachment either, and never personally, so-to-speak - yes, that is key
to less suffering, you got that right ! Exactly.
I've been practicing that for 3 years now.
It's working great.

Miss Hepburn

Oh, and my OCD is gone -... gone.

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I too as well have OCD. When I surrendered it went away for a full 7 days. It started to come back unconsciously. Do you have any specific tips on how to do it? I'm very interested?

#75 17-06-2011, 06:37 PM

wow... after suffering through some of these posts, i'll put in my 2 cents...

i am assuming that you are not talking about personal suffering, which of course is relative to the individual... but to world suffering... i will relate the first thing i taught my guide about humanity... mans inhumanity to man...

she was a newborn spirit, her purity in the hearts of spirit... we found ourselves in the middle of a battlefield, crawling on our bellys as the wars exploded around us... i looked up at her and said 'why does man do what man does?'... and she popped up with her beaming spirit smile and said... 'be-cause they think its important!'... it was her first linear thought...

its about what we think is important... and until cokacola (example) thinks its more important not to poison the farm fields in india than make a profit... i'm afraid mans inhumanity to man will continue... its all about our priorities...

i'm not holding my breath...

NightSpirit · #76 18-06-2011, 12:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

But only one to slap you upside the head....you forgot the rest of that quote...

Yes, if one can just observe all the feelings with no resistance and not much attachment either, and never personally, so-to-speak - yes, that is key
to less suffering, you got that right ! Exactly.
I've been practicing that for 3 years now.
It's working great.

Miss Hepburn

Oh, and my OCD is gone -... gone.

How interesting. My brother has severe OCD. I'd love to know how you did that and what level of it you had. Your welcome to pm me so it doesn't disrupt the thread.

Xan · #77 18-06-2011, 02:23 AM

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Originally Posted by Chrysaetos

Suffering is a consequence of having a developed mind. We, and other creatures (at least various mammals) can suffer.

We are left with the term itself.. what does it actually mean? One dictionary says it is ''the state of undergoing pain, distress, or hardship''..

If you want to eliminate or destroy that, you may as well remove your brain. What you can do is focus on things you like, and bury suffering. But life is situational, you may never know what will happen next.

So you're saying that a child who just lost her family and suffers as a consequence is withholding herself and withholding love?

It's not the brain that suffers, it's the mind that interprets and reacts to what we experience.

Of course pain is inevitable at some times in life, but failing to meet pain and loss fully so it goes on to release causes it to continue as a pattern of suffering in the mind. This is actually the opposite of burying the suffering, you see.

Although in our world minds carrying suffering from unhealed events in the past are very common, this doesn't mean it's our inherent condition. This planet has become a distorted hotbed of suffering, partly because we believe "that's the way life is", and don't look for a real alternative.

But many people are discovering a deeper inherent reality that is not full of suffering no matter what happens in our lives.

Here's a quote from another teacher: "Pain may be in our body and emotions; suffering is resisting that pain in our minds."

Xan

Xan · #78 18-06-2011, 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by moke64916

I too as well have OCD. When I surrendered it went away for a full 7 days. It started to come back unconsciously. Do you have any specific tips on how to do it? I'm very interested?

moke... Not answering for Miss Hepburn, but I suggest you take a good look into EFT - Emotional Freedom Techniques for freeing yourself from OCD. There's an introductory article at: - http://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=4478

Xan

Chrysaetos · #79 18-06-2011, 09:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Xan

Of course pain is inevitable at some times in life, but failing to meet pain and loss fully so it goes on to release causes it to continue as a pattern of suffering in the mind. This is actually the opposite of burying the suffering, you see.

People can have pains that never fully heal. Burying does not mean ''elimination''.

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Originally Posted by Xan

Although in our world minds carrying suffering from unhealed events in the past are very common, this doesn't mean it's our inherent condition. This planet has become a distorted hotbed of suffering, partly because we believe "that's the way life is", and don't look for a real alternative.

That's because the population has increased. More people = more cities and less resources = more poverty and conflict = more suffering.
Sounds a bit simple, but it's major.. look into history.

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Originally Posted by Xan

But many people are discovering a deeper inherent reality that is not full of suffering no matter what happens in our lives. Here's a quote from another teacher: "Pain may be in our body and emotions; suffering is resisting that pain in our minds." Xan

Does not make sense, at all. It sounds poetic but too simple. If anything, the mind does not always resist pain. What is implied here is (as far as it is understood) that grief for example is mere resistance.

Miss Hepburn · #80 18-06-2011, 11:09 AM

Ha! I sure opened a topic, eh?
OCD - I was even on Luvox for 6 months in 2000.

But, sorry, guys - I was cured from a blast of the Holy Spirit.
I mean what can I say - you get
your socks blown away for 5 solid hours (2005) and all that stuff falls
away like plaque at the dentist's.

It was just Grace from Heaven!
And I had an intervention from friends that got me on something - so
I know what I'm talking about!
I was getting worse as my hormones changed.

Follow what Xan said, shrug.