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Old 25-12-2020, 10:57 PM
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(read Anandayana Project book with all its references).
I had a ''look inside'' of the book and ordered it.
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Quantum physicists knows that a measurement of sub-atomic particle can be influenced by the measuring action, thus by the scientist who perform the measurement.
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Old 26-12-2020, 12:26 AM
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I had a ''look inside'' of the book and ordered it.

Isn't it free?
https://www.anandayana.org/en/#book
https://books.google.com/books?id=uM...roject&f=false
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Old 26-12-2020, 07:49 AM
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I am sorry but I disagree.
Quantum physicists knows that a measurement of sub-atomic particle can be influenced by the measuring action, thus by the scientist who perform the measurement.
Many metaphysics consider that as the consciousness of the scientist interferes with the measurement... I have a different opinion about that, nevertheless, if sub-atomic matter can be influenced by the measuring subject, in general all what we consider energy, matter and so on is subjective.
Holographic Universe of D. Bohm defines Virtual Universe what we experience as Universe, therefore it is subjective.
I am fairly versed in the measurement problem. Its true that the objective body/mind of the scientist which is made of quantum states affects objective reality. An 'observation' is NOT an act of consciousness. The observation is done by the quantum field of the measuring instrument which in rare cases is part of a scientist.

The subjective part happens after the fact if at all when consciousness looks at the "results". This would include any conclusions made about what the measurements "mean". By that time, objective reality has moved on.
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Where is the fine line between the two things - the subjective experience of the Self and what there really is, especially if there is nothing outside the Self; even if by Self we mean God's Consciousness.

You asked a clear question “What in life is truly objective and not subjective?” It is clear to any philosopher to whom “objective” and “subjective” have specific meanings that are shareable within a specific domain of knowledge in academic philosophy. “Self” and “God Consciousness” are concepts of another framework of reference. When you jumble everything together you end up with chop suey and kill the inquiry.

invalan said: “Everything you perceive with your five senses is subjective. All the knowledge you get through your five senses is subjective too.” These are the beliefs of a paradigm that shapes our consensus worldview of subjective observers in an objective world. Here again, invalan explains “objective” in terms of a “multi-dimensional self” that no mainstream philosopher or scientist would accept.

The way I see it, you cannot mix spirituality up with objective reality. Each is a perspective of a reality based on a unique paradigm.

Objective reality is created by the scientist. Therefore, it is subjective.

Spirituality that is based on a paradigm is metaphysics. It deals with a supersensual realm that transcends objective reality. This form of spirituality is also subjective.
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