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Old 03-04-2024, 12:02 AM
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But now the consequences of the struggle for dominance are so serious that the whole notion of a divided world dominated in such a manner becomes nonsensical. Practicality begins to converge with the aspirational, self interest converges with general interest.

This seems like the nature of our journey so far.

Cheers.X

I think the more those old dominant systems break down and apart for all the world to see, people’s innate is triggered through a more just and fair system they naturally know aligns within. If people don’t know, they sometimes don’t investigate, simply because at their end, it’s serving them, without realisation what’s happening on a greater scale of dominance and greed, power and selfish gain for select few. Our ignorance of what’s governing our everyday lived experience, often arises, because people are trying to ‘just survive’ and get by as the system decides will be. They accept it as serving them, even as all these other things exist, that are not serving a more unified togetherness and fairer system for all.

I think the implosion of ‘natures way’ where everything matters ‘together’ everything ‘works together’, is something we can’t control, so our control eventually gives way, when ‘natures way’ seeks resurrection and balance.

We have no choice but to acknowledge, accept and jump on board with these times, especially when the ‘whole’ begins to converge upon ‘separateness….
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Old 04-04-2024, 12:30 AM
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Simply put, unity is threatening to those--probably relatively few in number- who depend upon division and promotion of division in order to gain or maintain their "tribal" dominance.

while this is a nice notion and possibly has some truth to it in terms of it being something we would 'like'... still, personally I'm finding that trying to get other people to agree to this kind of notion is not such a good idea as it seems...

from the point of view of the problem I see us as a people having, all such while nice to those who buy into it - is just a distraction as we try to get everyone to agree to it. Sometimes such behavior amplifies the problem, other times it lessens the problem. But just simply coming up this or one of many other concepts that we 'like' and then pioneering it as the one true way to peace has never worked before - not in the long term anyway. Problem is people die and forget or simply grow tired of the fights it takes to maintain these kinds of positions, and then those who are more vocal on the other side of the pendulum eventually swing it back the other way again...

so personally i don't see how promoting this type of thing would be beneficial to me, even though I might like the results for the short time I get to have them the fights it would take to get it even for that short time just aren't worth it any more. Too much pain.
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Old 04-04-2024, 10:15 AM
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Hello FL.

Thanks for sharing your thoughts regarding how--historically--some of our own species have attempted to implement behavioural change, and for your thoughts regarding the reasons for the reaction for the resistance/dismissal which such attempts have been likely to encounter.
On a more personal note, thanks also for your account regarding how you grapple with such choices/matters in your life/circumstances.

A thought---Compulsion to act collectively is not necessarily a result of being told to do this or to do that--but can be as result of the realisation that there is an inescapable need to do this or to do that collectively.

Is there--as I believe--a connection between choices and consequences which suggests/logically concludes that :-- As consequences of whatever nature become ever more threatening then the number of choices remaining which are thought capable of relieving such threats becomes correspondingly diminished?

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Old 04-04-2024, 08:30 PM
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The sense of separation evolves towards unity. The sense or belief of separation gives rise to individual selves and the world, selfishness and competition. As this sense of false separation dissolves we become more at one with the world or what is. The apparently separate self then becomes more at one with the collective, or rather the sense of boundaries dissolves revealing the true nature of oneness.

So naturally humanity will progress towards oneness. Initially this is as individuals being part of groups or nations. Then the dissolving of groups separate from each other and nations separate from each other. This will result in a celebration of variety in oneness, a union of difference and a recognition of oneness. Humans will be aware of the oneness of life. Physically there will still appear a separation, but the recognition will be in the evolution of the mind.

I like to use the bicycle wheel example. At the heart of the wheel there is oneness. As the spokes go out from the centre they seem more separate from each other. Yet the wheel itself is always one, appearing as many. Separateness seems to go out from oneness and then return to oneness. This is the universal flow, whilst remaining timelessly one.
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Old 04-04-2024, 10:26 PM
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Hello Goldcup7 and all.

If existence is perceived as being one complete interdependent interconnected process with all which exists being inextricably (and logically) "included", there is no separateness.

Choosing to perceive ourselves as being part of that one process is like a stepping stone or a gateway imo. We become part of rather than detached observers, and imo our sensibilities, modes of behaviour, relationship with all else which exists, becomes transformed. Beginning to see through and with the eyes and understanding the circumstances of all else gives access to understanding from being within, part of--a form of empathic understanding. Not as a rare or trumpeted "gift", but more as a logical consequence.

There is imo a mysterious connection between this transformation and that mystery greater still--loving.


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Old 17-04-2024, 01:08 AM
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Hello all.

Continuing from previous post following further stumbling:--

There is a way of being, a mode of behaviour, which is harmonious with the perception that existence is, --always has been, and always will be--one complete interconnected, interdependent, inclusive process.

This mode of behaviour is The Way, and has the characteristics of that behaviour which our species experiences and describes as being loving.

"Our" personal realisation that this is "true", that this the case, that this so, can be sudden and dramatic.

This "realisation" can be likened to a personal step sideways away from the path of evolution which we had considered to be constant driven by constant adaptation to circumstances across time.

This further stumbling "explanation" is itself an inadequate attempt imo.--and is also much limited by being my "opinion".

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Old 17-04-2024, 08:49 PM
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Imo it's useful and important to consider oneness and the appearance of separation. From the non dual perspective there are not many separate beings who are connected or interconnected. In a sense connected implies separation. Admittedly it's hard to really explain true Oneness without reference to the appearance of separation.

But then, imo this is the play of the universe, presenting the appearance of separation whilst remaining as One. Imo the evolution of a separate selfish being, and the competition of survival of the fittest that we see in this apparently dense limited world, is a natural consequence of the play of opposites that allows manifestation. The limited selfish being appears as the extreme opposite of the selfless infinite being.

However, from the non dual perspective, there is the possibility for the apparently separate selfish being to find within itself the Heart of Oneness, which is its true self. Towards this aim the selfish being that has strayed into separateness returns to oneness. This could be said to be the path of the soul, and the path of humanity, to experience the outer limits of separation and return to the Heart of Oneness that is here all along. A dropping of boundaries between individuals is then to be expected as a natural flow of evolution, from competition to collaboration.
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Old 19-04-2024, 11:09 AM
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Yes indeed Goldcup7.

Let us follow the way, working toward transforming what is indeed necessary to what will become--by our deeds--evident (if we so choose).

Cheers.X
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Old 19-04-2024, 05:31 PM
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In some ways the work towards oneness should be simple. We need only let go and stop resisting. It is resistance that maintains the sense and belief of separation. Although, I am reminded here of the Star Trek phrase, "Resistance is futile." That's not the way we want to go. Those Borg types wanted to make all beings like them, whereas we want to recognise the oneness that underlies the wonderful expression of diversity in the world.

Strayed into science fiction a little there. :)
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Old 20-04-2024, 02:44 PM
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Hello Golcup7 and all.

StarTrek has taken many of us to places, circumstances, dilemmas, adventures etc to which we may not have ventured before. In my case not particularly boldly however---mostly leaning back on the sofa.

What such programmes can do is offer glimpses of realities which differ from the perception of reality to which we have become accustomed maybe?

We might also suggest that some teachings may also have a tendency to do likewise?

Further,--we could also suggest that some states of mind are either bought about or are the result of our minds translating through lenses offering differing perspectives to what is considered "normal". ---and we also know that certain conditions/conditioning and certain chemicals can alter our perception of reality.

So it seems fair to say that we know that our perceptions of reality can change/can be changed ?

If we believe that such change is possible, then yet further questions which we may like to ponder arise. Amongst them :---can we ourselves independently choose to change our personal perception of reality, and for what purpose might we decide to do so, what deters us from doing so?

This sort of discussion/exploration may seem abstract, airy fairy, removed from reality---there's that word again--reality. Hey ho.

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