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Old 26-02-2021, 08:29 PM
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Cool, stumbled on this pdf book of info, while looking for sami symbol meanings.
I wonder how accurate it is???
Written by Asian about Sami. He was curious about any cross-cultural
similarities.

https://heesooklee-niinioja.weebly.c...sami_drums.pdf
Should be ok.
"Niinioja" is a Finnish surname.

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Old 26-02-2021, 08:34 PM
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Of videos – I watched this one:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPiKAhhEHXA

From 2:37 to 4:12
The Saami bloke sitting in the middle of his herd reminded me of the bloke doing 'the trust technique' with the horses.
And yes. If ‘you’ go up North all ‘worldly and sophisticated’ intent on ‘cappuccino conversation’ with the Saami about ‘indigenousness’ …
If they are not in tourism business, they will look at you as if you were a some kind of ‘space alien’ heh.

And about the clothing Gákti: (video 9:22 – 10:02)
Whilst I do have a few distant Norwegian cousins, these are a little bit closer relatives’ gákti, with a cousin in the pic:
https://remix.kuvat.fi/kuvat/EVENTS/...PG?img=img2048

Then moving further into our “Russian” side of things … a gákti posted by a cousin:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/12/b8...cab52be5f4.jpg

But I wouldn’t dream of wearing one, unless I totally (re)-integrated and lived with the group.
So whilst this gákti is an important identifier, it cannot make one a Saami, but I guess, if one is an urban indigenous – disconnected from the rest of the culture then this ‘form-reality’ becomes the thing to cling to.

Just a side note … Video 10:58 – 11:40:
In my language the word for “world” is "earth/air-space" … literally. Which I assume comes from the old animist view of perceiving matter and spirit simultaneously.
Form and formlessness – simultaneously.
The indivisibility of space and form.
Whereas the Western “white” mode of perception mainly focuses on form reality (only).
For us the space holds far more information than the manifest form reality.

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Old 26-02-2021, 10:25 PM
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I remember you posted these before.
I like studying them more and more since they keep revealing
things I did not notice before. They remind me of nature,
the more you settle into it the more it reveals.

I am wondering if 1 c is depicting Thunderbirds on the sides??
If not thunderbirds then Goose or Crane becuase of the straight beeks?
Also I will guess 1c is depicting Badger or Wolverine on the bottom
but just guessing...
1 c The 5 skulls on top I would say it depicts the ancestors.
1 c It looks to me Thunderbird heads(4) that surround the central
main head with curved beeks????

.............< 1 a >,.......................< 1 b >........................< 1 c >

I am not sure, but imo. 1c can be a person ‘riding’ the energy (signature) of his totem – the Bear- as sometimes these images also depict totemic identity.

When ‘you’ belong to one of these totemic moieties, then ‘you’ need/must marry into the other moiety – so here perhaps is a descendant of a Bear and a Crane:
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/e3/ca...7eec64c676.jpg

The rest are Mooseheads (also associated with the Sun) and the number 5 refers to a male (number 4 is female).
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Old 27-02-2021, 12:34 AM
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1c Bears, cranes, moose.
Oh yeah..... I can see that now.
Bear has the more rectangular ears.
Crane, yeah without a doubt.
Moose, I can see the ears and horns now.

I'll get through the video from national geographic later.
Watched to where he said "I don't know what to say, so I will go to sleep".

I'm still laughing. No time for this talking stuff.

I was peeked right at 3:44 when he went quite, then the dog turned
I was tuned in at that point. Alert, focused and then I heard what he
was sensing,seeing or hearing. Ah, Yeah, he is tuned in.
He was alert before the dog.
Then he said "I don't know what to say, I think I'll go to sleep". That's priceless. Still makes me laugh.
I hope the documentary people didn't know what was going on.
I can hear them "Doesn't he realize where National Geographic".

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Old 27-02-2021, 04:25 AM
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You mentioned all colors so i hope its ok for me to share my story of what i feel to be an ancient spirituality to all of us.

my story of what seemed like a way for me was through observing and being with nature. i had some weird health issues coming up and i noticed the energy would make it go away. i don't mean to come across in a negative way because it wasn't at all. in my life i wanted to start a business and succeed. it wasn't anything big but i was content cause it was a dream of mine. as time went on these health issues were becoming worse. i smoked a little bit of weed after work before and that seemed to help. but as i said i noticed the energies would help it. i noticed this after having been shown meditation.

there is energy in everything and being with nature and observing nature i enjoyed and it was and still is a guru. my guru. im sure there is a better word for it. but im dumb. lol. i began a new dream to heal myself and see where it takes me. so i put all of my attention on my spiritual practice. i would be with nature and do a few practices with that. i would use music, my throat chakra, and some movement to go into like a trance that would take me into more of this energy that seemed to help me. i would meditate. i would exercise. at night, every night i would sleep outside under the trees. sometimes i would have some visitors growling at me for being there. lol. racoons. when i would sleep right on the earth on the ground in the elements brought me into more of the energy that helped me while i slept.

i was in love with my new dream. i never could eliminate the health issues but my intuition did tell me something i was eating was killing me. that my sister would tell me what that was. so i was in love with my dream. it brought me to good health through my sister and to a great joy from spirit.

my dream hasn't changed much. im still doing it but now by traveling across the states driving a truck. im still in love with my dream.
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Old 27-02-2021, 12:13 PM
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Yes, All colors is exactly what I meant because in us all I believe is
an indigenous ancestry that connects us with the Earth.
Earth gives us and sustains our lives.


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in·dig·e·nous
/inˈdijənəs/
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adjective: indigenous

originating or occurring naturally in a particular place; native.

I do remember some of your story from other posts and I know how you do connect with
the Earth. It is good that you are living your dream. I know that you connect with the Rocks,
especially the red Rock if I remember correctly. The Earths energy is so amazing and I also am
living my dream by living where I live because of the Earth and place.
I do have a similar story where Spirit told me something that I was consuming was killing me.
Way to many rum and cokes.. LOL.. Then started my Spiritual journey.


A dance between Sky and Earth is where I live in the shadow of Mount Rainer (təqʷuʔbəʔ) or (Mother of Waters)
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Old 27-02-2021, 03:49 PM
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A perfect song for this area where I Live.
Along the 48th parallel north.
I enjoyed a full whiff of Spring yesterday. Just a whiff though.
Made me sing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FzEpXNOjCY



I like this perspective of the Earth and the north land.
Makes me feel connected more.
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Old 27-02-2021, 04:02 PM
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I can truly hear a soul singing.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkmJjpijc0Q
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Old 28-02-2021, 08:07 AM
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A perfect song for this area where I Live.
Along the 48th parallel north.
I enjoyed a full whiff of Spring yesterday. Just a whiff though.
Made me sing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_FzEpXNOjCY

I like this perspective of the Earth and the north land.
Makes me feel connected more.

I can truly hear a soul singing.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkmJjpijc0Q


The ‘joik’ echoes the Saami soul.

A Saami movie:
Pathfinder
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CZuWDiyddMQ

Not this one, but usually, when I watch Saami movies, I get so depressed I have to follow up with the movie ‘Mongols.’
Not a friend of violence, but that “Wolf” kicked some as_* and afterwards established a tolerant society.

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Old 28-02-2021, 06:32 PM
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& What does ‘indigenousness’ mean in one’s ordinary everyday life?

I find the need to live in or near nature somehow – connected to it …

I need to live in a society where the population is like 50/50 – 50% indigenous, 50% white, so I can be a 'cappuccino conversationalist' and talk shi* at times and then experience the other;
- where like in the ‘horse trust technique’ … in silence things are sorted out already …
- where you can just let go, relax, totally be yourself and feel connected without a need to say anything than just the necessary now-related minimal …

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“Indigenousness” meaning that one doesn’t actively need to beeee indigenous, to already be one.
So there is no need to parade identity markers unless on special occasions for some purpose.

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Perhaps the art closest to my heart (where I live) is TI, Torres Strait art.
It makes me feel connected to Life, Universe and Everything - in a manner of “all your planets lining up for you” in a right way ....
& I don’t have to become a TI to feel it, as the artwork & the artists are the conduits of it …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bk5JZzu0SVE

Like David says (9:34 – 11:00) “When you dance, it is not actually you dancing – it is them dancing and them telling the story … you only become the vessel … “

And this is the beauty of it.
‘You’ don’t have to beeee anything. Meeting this artist, he is not beeeing anything either … and you both can just be your totally ordinary empty normal selves …
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=c__wrZU44VU

Whereas among the “whites”, you always have to beeee something, and after a while this totally stresses me out if I do not get a release from it. Besides, this focus on beeeing something blocks the spiritual sense of “seeing” the person …. Or seeing this total natural transparency of ‘us’ …

So when I meet or see ‘indigenous’ “beeeeeing indigenous”, I kinda just roll my eyes and go into a coma at that dual wall or block … and this image automatically arisies:
https://ibb.co/G3TdQ6N

And you do see that all the time … in overt and covert ways heh.
I really do not know what posses them … perhaps they think, they can beeee anything they wish to be?

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When “I” became an empty vessel – letting ‘them’ come through – it was Siberian & some specific Saami stuff that came through. Everything I was told (in anger by many) I am not or am not supposed/allowed to be. So I was a bit of an enigma to myself in them days, until I finally learned where it was coming from ..

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