Life being a journey

[AHIYAH]

Originally Posted by Moonglow

Hi AHIYAH,

Thank you for sharing some of your cultures beliefs.

I was raised in a Catholic household, with the belief that after one passes from this life he/she is gone from this world. Wasn't taught about the continuance of Spifit, unless in th regards of the soul (individual spirit given by God) going to heaven or hell. In some cases there is a purgatory, a place where a soul may wait to enter Gos' kingdom ( heaven).

Life has shown me though that Spirit lives on with and with in everything. As I grew older found myself letting go of the idea that when the Spirit leaves the body, it leaves this world.

Dreams have shown this is not so, as well as nature in its interactions, as well as what is carried in the heart.

I look at my reflection and see all those who have come before me. The face reflects this. The stories passed down are carried in my mind. The connections and love carried in the heart and when I started paying attention to these realize that my ancestors do indeed walk with me.

It is interesting in the place I live, the US, that there is an increase in people seeking at their heritage/lineage. So, perhaps an awakening of sorts to listening once more to the ancestors. Which to me is part of the journey.

Well, that is my take on it.

Blessings to you as well.

And a very good take on it as well. Concerning the journey it is to become a complete circle seen as the circle of life, which also can be seen as the river of life as in a literal river you come to some rough waters where there's twists and turns in the journey and then there's the calm waters of the journey of life and the Sun(literally and allegorically) helps the water to rise to a place above the Earth(used as a metaphor) and is cleansed and returns to the Earth. One whole cycle and there's other details of this interaction that people can comment on whether positive or negative. I'm glad you spoke of the awakening I have been noticing it in many places for quite sometime. Song,dance,forums/listening to the young people and their ideas formed in them about what affects them, it's just lovely to see. Be continuously blessed with the awareness you realise you possess. cool name by the way I like it. I might even comment my thoughts on it at a later date.

[Moonglow]

Originally Posted by AHIYAH

And a very good take on it as well. Concerning the journey it is to become a complete circle seen as the circle of life, which also can be seen as the river of life as in a literal river you come to some rough waters where there's twists and turns in the journey and then there's the calm waters of the journey of life and the Sun(literally and allegorically) helps the water to rise to a place above the Earth(used as a metaphor) and is cleansed and returns to the Earth. One whole cycle and there's other details of this interaction that people can comment on whether positive or negative. I'm glad you spoke of the awakening I have been noticing it in many places for quite sometime. Song,dance,forums/listening to the young people and their ideas formed in them about what affects them, it's just lovely to see. Be continuously blessed with the awareness you realise you possess. cool name by the way I like it. I might even comment my thoughts on it at a later date.

Hello AHIYAY,

I enjoy the visuals that come to mind with what you share.
Have looked at a fallen tree in the forest and watched all the other life forms that grow, eat. break down the tree, and travel along the tree. Seeing the tree still supporting and giving life. Slowing breaking down and becoming once more of the forrest floor to add to its life. So, can see life being of cycles.

Feel we are very much of this continuing journey and in those moments I take time to notice these it is really cool and brings peace to me.

Would be interested on your thoughts of my name here. It is a name I use here and one that a friend gave to me years ago, for fun, but it in its way stuck around with me. Just to let you know.

[AHIYAH]

Originally Posted by Moonglow

Hello AHIYAY,

I enjoy the visuals that come to mind with what you share.
Have looked at a fallen tree in the forest and watched all the other life forms that grow, eat. break down the tree, and travel along the tree. Seeing the tree still supporting and giving life. Slowing breaking down and becoming once more of the forrest floor to add to its life. So, can see life being of cycles.

Feel we are very much of this continuing journey and in those moments I take time to notice these it is really cool and brings peace to me.

Would be interested on your thoughts of my name here. It is a name I use here and one that a friend gave to me years ago, for fun, but it in its way stuck around with me. Just to let you know.

Kia ora Moonglow,
I like your analogy of the tree sustaining the life of other living beings. This brings me to your name and is similar to your analogy. Think of the Light of Life which in this case is used metaphorically coming from the Sun being your heart. The Moon that receives that light would be imo your mind/brain which is closely related to the Earth in that the moon orbits the Earth and influences the movement of water, the Water of Life so to speak.The Earth is the Mouth which also receives the Light of Life from the Sun and the influence from the Moon.
Every time I see the light of the Moon I think on this.pun intended. The dark side of the Moon and the Earth is another story and sometimes the Moon has the Light if Life all to herself, and sometimes the Earth has all the Light of Life all to herself. Ever thought of something you couldn't put into words? Ever spoke of something that you didn't think of saying? There's obviously other things attached to this analogy.

[Moonglow]

Originally Posted by AHIYAH

Kia ora Moonglow,
I like your analogy of the tree sustaining the life of other living beings. This brings me to your name and is similar to your analogy. Think of the Light of Life which in this case is used metaphorically coming from the Sun being your heart. The Moon that receives that light would be imo your mind/brain which is closely related to the Earth in that the moon orbits the Earth and influences the movement of water, the Water of Life so to speak.The Earth is the Mouth which also receives the Light of Life from the Sun and the influence from the Moon.
Every time I see the light of the Moon I think on this.pun intended. The dark side of the Moon and the Earth is another story and sometimes the Moon has the Light if Life all to herself, and sometimes the Earth has all the Light of Life all to herself. Ever thought of something you couldn't put into words? Ever spoke of something that you didn't think of saying? There's obviously other things attached to this analogy.

Greetings AHIYAH,

I have come across through the years things relating the moon to our mind/psyche. It softly lights the night and plays a games of peek-a-boo with us.
This brings the thought that is at times what we may do with each other. At times showing oneself. at other times hiding from each other.

What is felt in th heart seems gets reflected in the mind.

There are many things I can not fully put into words. What words properly describes a sunset, being with loved ones, just being in the presence of another, and so forth. Words can evoke some of the feelings and visions, but some things are just felt and held in the heart.

Sometimes just go with the thoughts as they flow, without pondering over them and yes, at times find myself saying things that feel come from another place with in me.

The light reveals what may be hidden with in the shadows. The shadows give mystery and allows the imagination to play. Reflected in nature and it's being and through the journeys of life.

Some thoughts on this.

Thank you

[AHIYAH]

Originally Posted by Moonglow

Greetings AHIYAH,

I have come across through the years things relating the moon to our mind/psyche. It softly lights the night and plays a games of peek-a-boo with us.
This brings the thought that is at times what we may do with each other. At times showing oneself. at other times hiding from each other.

What is felt in th heart seems gets reflected in the mind.

There are many things I can not fully put into words. What words properly describes a sunset, being with loved ones, just being in the presence of another, and so forth. Words can evoke some of the feelings and visions, but some things are just felt and held in the heart.

Sometimes just go with the thoughts as they flow, without pondering over them and yes, at times find myself saying things that feel come from another place with in me.

The light reveals what may be hidden with in the shadows. The shadows give mystery and allows the imagination to play. Reflected in nature and it's being and through the journeys of life.

Some thoughts on this.

Thank you

Kia Ora Moonglow,
Interesting that you should mention "Hidden" because one of the four levels of understanding according to the Hebrew is that which is "Hidden". If I was to say that all that is hidden/unrealised is found in the Sun,Moon and Earth being the three main locations would not the inhabitants of these three main places be looking for likeminded people to extract that which was hidden?
I have had a spiritual experience that is hard to put into words it happened in my chest area where it felt litten up and warmth overflowing, it's a place where one sees the light for what it is and when coming out of it starts to see the darkness for what it is. I've had many of the same experience but it hit me hardest at the first because I wasn't ready for it. It happened when I was struggling with my inner self, the more this went on I realised that what was in me was my guiding spirit. Everytime I came out of the experience I felt as though I was being abandoned. So I would be in a state of hopelessness until it kept happening just at the right time. I later realised that what caused the experience will always be with me.
I am in agreement with your post, I like the choice of words. Hmmm the sunset. The sunset tells us that evening approaches and usually the moon appears, I say this because its usually the time when the body slumbers but the Moon/Mind is active and yes I have been known to sleep talk and even sleep sing.lol. One could hide things in the light as well as things in darkness. I'm unsure how this will affect you but I will say something to you from us Maori but given like its totally English. I've pointed this out in another thread that an acquaintance of mine told me that to find a place called within one has to journey without and in order to find these places one must venture to the place called above and also come to a place called below. He said that when you find anyone of these places you would've already been to the others simultaneously. For anyone outside of the Maori circle that knows they may think hmmmm that's interesting. Those inside the circle that knows will realise a poem of one of our people this poem has been used as a song and part of a speech. There's obvious variations of it, but it happens that a Maori was watching how all the birds of the forest were singing according to their gift.
I believe it goes something like this
Kanui te Po kanui te Ao.
Tui Tui Tuia (some say Kui,Kui,Kuia)
Tuiairunga
Tuiairaro
Tuiaiwaho
Tuiairoto
It's basically calling for the reunion/gathering or simply put kotahitanga as in oneness. One must gather from above, from below, from without and from within. The more one has experience in these four places the better the gathering is for that person. The birds in this poem represent people that sing a familiar song. You might want to consider the four levels of understanding in the Hebrew to see what comes of it. It has one level as being hidden.
Since things can be hidden in the Light as well as in the Darkness one might learn about the science of the philosophy of tacet knowledge to try to minimise missing a hidden message even though its almost spelt out to them. The best I can say on the science of the philosophy of tacit knowledge is you have a speaker and a message and a receiver. Lets just say that the receiver received the message but when he gathered it up it was different to the intent of the speaker.
I'm having a hard time here because my moko which is short for mokopuna as in grandchild has been demanding my attention so I hope this post is readable at least. Kia Tau Te RangiMarie, peace in the highest

[Moonglow]

Originally Posted by AHIYAH

Kia Ora Moonglow,
Interesting that you should mention "Hidden" because one of the four levels of understanding according to the Hebrew is that which is "Hidden". If I was to say that all that is hidden/unrealised is found in the Sun,Moon and Earth being the three main locations would not the inhabitants of these three main places be looking for likeminded people to extract that which was hidden?
I have had a spiritual experience that is hard to put into words it happened in my chest area where it felt litten up and warmth overflowing, it's a place where one sees the light for what it is and when coming out of it starts to see the darkness for what it is. I've had many of the same experience but it hit me hardest at the first because I wasn't ready for it. It happened when I was struggling with my inner self, the more this went on I realised that what was in me was my guiding spirit. Everytime I came out of the experience I felt as though I was being abandoned. So I would be in a state of hopelessness until it kept happening just at the right time. I later realised that what caused the experience will always be with me.
I am in agreement with your post, I like the choice of words. Hmmm the sunset. The sunset tells us that evening approaches and usually the moon appears, I say this because its usually the time when the body slumbers but the Moon/Mind is active and yes I have been known to sleep talk and even sleep sing.lol. One could hide things in the light as well as things in darkness. I'm unsure how this will affect you but I will say something to you from us Maori but given like its totally English. I've pointed this out in another thread that an acquaintance of mine told me that to find a place called within one has to journey without and in order to find these places one must venture to the place called above and also come to a place called below. He said that when you find anyone of these places you would've already been to the others simultaneously. For anyone outside of the Maori circle that knows they may think hmmmm that's interesting. Those inside the circle that knows will realise a poem of one of our people this poem has been used as a song and part of a speech. There's obvious variations of it, but it happens that a Maori was watching how all the birds of the forest were singing according to their gift.
I believe it goes something like this
Kanui te Po kanui te Ao.
Tui Tui Tuia (some say Kui,Kui,Kuia)
Tuiairunga
Tuiairaro
Tuiaiwaho
Tuiairoto
It's basically calling for the reunion/gathering or simply put kotahitanga as in oneness. One must gather from above, from below, from without and from within. The more one has experience in these four places the better the gathering is for that person. The birds in this poem represent people that sing a familiar song. You might want to consider the four levels of understanding in the Hebrew to see what comes of it. It has one level as being hidden.
Since things can be hidden in the Light as well as in the Darkness one might learn about the science of the philosophy of tacet knowledge to try to minimise missing a hidden message even though its almost spelt out to them. The best I can say on the science of the philosophy of tacit knowledge is you have a speaker and a message and a receiver. Lets just say that the receiver received the message but when he gathered it up it was different to the intent of the speaker.
I'm having a hard time here because my moko which is short for mokopuna as in grandchild has been demanding my attention so I hope this post is readable at least. Kia Tau Te RangiMarie, peace in the highest

Greetings AHIYAH,

I feel honored that you share some of the Maori culture with me.

I was raised in an American/ western culture that is strongly Christian based in general. There are actually many cultures and tribes here, so many beliefs.
Christianity is the main accepted belief in general society. Although this seems to changing slowly. Right now I don't follow any set practice, but still observe and listen to what spirit and/or nature may bring to me.

But, it is interesting you mentioned the four levels, with in, without, above, and below. Have come across teachings of the four direction and elements and although it has been many years since I have studied these, perhaps a good time for me to once more look into this.
There is a prayer that was sent to me by my sister that goes;
Christ above me
Christ below me
Christ behind me
Christ before me
There are other variations using the four Angels Michael ( to the right), Gabrial ( to the left) , Uriel( behind),, Raphael ( before), indicating the four directions.
Christ being the higher energy and protection. So, there is a power there that can be called upon. Perhaps using the names one is most familiar with to connect mind, body, and spirit, as I see it.

Just found the connection interesting.

What is hidden? Sometimes when I can't quite place my finger on it it seems hidden. But, when I stop trying to do so, at times it shows itself. Can over think things, at times. This is where what you present in regards to tacet knowledge
brings the thought to have trust in the knowing. Some things one just knows and aware of and to go with that. I believe another word is faith.

Sometimes it is not that it is hiding from me, but that I am placing self made obstacles to make it seem hidden. Yes, observing, listening, and being with nature helps me see more clearly the connections and cycles. To find ways to participate as oppose to controlling. Which seems to open the way more receiving the messages that may come.

You inspired me a bit here to look into the phases of the moon again and have expanded my outlook of the relationships of Sun, Moon, and Earth.

Blessings

[AHIYAH]

Originally Posted by Moonglow

Greetings AHIYAH,

I feel honored that you share some of the Maori culture with me.

I was raised in an American/ western culture that is strongly Christian based in general. There are actually many cultures and tribes here, so many beliefs.
Christianity is the main accepted belief in general society. Although this seems to changing slowly. Right now I don't follow any set practice, but still observe and listen to what spirit and/or nature may bring to me.

But, it is interesting you mentioned the four levels, with in, without, above, and below. Have come across teachings of the four direction and elements and although it has been many years since I have studied these, perhaps a good time for me to once more look into this.
There is a prayer that was sent to me by my sister that goes;
Christ above me
Christ below me
Christ behind me
Christ before me
There are other variations using the four Angels Michael ( to the right), Gabrial ( to the left) , Uriel( behind),, Raphael ( before), indicating the four directions.
Christ being the higher energy and protection. So, there is a power there that can be called upon. Perhaps using the names one is most familiar with to connect mind, body, and spirit, as I see it.

Just found the connection interesting.

What is hidden? Sometimes when I can't quite place my finger on it it seems hidden. But, when I stop trying to do so, at times it shows itself. Can over think things, at times. This is where what you present in regards to tacet knowledge
brings the thought to have trust in the knowing. Some things one just knows and aware of and to go with that. I believe another word is faith.

Sometimes it is not that it is hiding from me, but that I am placing self made obstacles to make it seem hidden. Yes, observing, listening, and being with nature helps me see more clearly the connections and cycles. To find ways to participate as oppose to controlling. Which seems to open the way more receiving the messages that may come.

You inspired me a bit here to look into the phases of the moon again and have expanded my outlook of the relationships of Sun, Moon, and Earth.

Blessings

There are things in the Maori culture that I have cut off that doesn't align itself with the overall outcome, same as any culture,belief system religious or otherwise. I too was raised in a Christian influenced society and although I do have many things against them there are many things that when put into the right context that I agree with. I know enough about that influence to know how it grew in number even in the land that is now called America. Btw I usually refer to that land as "The land of the four mountains". I won't bring up the Indian Boarding schools but for the ones that are still reeling from those disgusting years, they better accept the "warts and all" like any other culture/religion etc. Yes the Spirit of Nature is changing many things and for us its a return to her by limiting the things that destroy her, changing people's minds. This is not a new thing we are coming in to but a return. The voice of the Earth people will be heard among all the confusion.
Nice prayer btw although I would change the Christ to Annointing, I'm of the understanding that there are many Messiahs its just that they've been scattered to every nation. There's just one thing about the prayer that is missing and that is the inside of the person. Now it could mean that this prayer is for those that don't have the realisation of the anointing, I am assuming here. Here's my own quote that cannot be stolen and is allowed to be used by a certain people.
If your enemy shall pursue you from within journey to the without in peace, if your enemy shall pursue you from without journey to the below in peace, if your enemy shall pursue you from below journey to the above in peace and if your enemy shall pursue you from above journey back to the within in peace. In doing this you have been the leader this Earth has been waiting so patiently for. You have also shown your enemy what manner of peace you live by and you are your bestest of friends as well as your worst enemy. If you come out of that in peace you have attained the reigns that control your eternal self. I believe that is something to pass on even in your own concepts to your Gathering.
You've given the meaning of the hidden perfectly according to me. Although when I was out gaining knowledge I came upon my calling and yet had to battle it out with others that were going against me. So I totally grab all the knowledge I could and rammed it into my head knowing that one day it would all make sense. There was many a confusing days and nights to get through in order to understand. I'm even collecting info from other people(such as yourself) today and adding to what I already know. As you would already know I come from the Tupuna/Tipuna and Taonga concepts and with that I speak and gather healthy knowledge from others as if they have the Tupuna/Tipuna and Taonga concepts. It helps me to relate better. I am actually a collection of my spiritual family's voice that I hear and agree to that Ive gathered from the many conversations I have had.
When it comes to the hidden things it is our own limitations that hides the necessary info we have been so patiently waiting for, an appointed time for this return. With that I will mention the Beattitudes mentioned in the bibles. I'm glad to see the many people already awake and to be able to converse with them and to realise the reacquaintance.
Kia Tau te RangiMarie. Peace in the Heavens.

[AHIYAH]

I thought I might add a funny to this exchange concerning the science of the philosophy of tacet knowledge but first some history. When Capt Cook arrived here he brought with him a translator from the Islands named Tupaea. Now Maori could easily understand him so nothing wrong there. They went away and came back some time later and again they brought with them a translator from the Islands only this time Maori couldn't understand him. Says alot about the confusion that flooded the Earth. Now that that is out of the way if I was to teach you the Maori word Mahi and that it means work, like Mahi Tahi means work as one. So you take that on board and remember it for the rest of your life. Then you may make a journey to this land and all is going well and you happen to meet up with a guy and in your mind he may look like a Maori and you say to him "How was your Mahi today?" And the guy you were speaking to happens to be from Tonga and he has a funny look on his face because he's wondering why you ask about his undies.lol
We've gotta speak in a language that the other person understands. In the case of a Tonga person and the Maori word Mahi I'll say to him "Mahi up cuz!" Lol
The same can be said about the Maori word Nono which means the behind so don't be surprised if a Cook Islander says they are going to a Nono which in their language means a feast.lol
I'm glad you are inspired by what Ive shared and there's more to share at some stage. I also like what is being shared back like two waters becoming one my brother/sister. Blessings to you and yours

[sky]

http://www.know-britain.com/hymns/ch...beside_me.html


AHIYAH
you might enjoy this

[AHIYAH]

Originally Posted by sky123

http://www.know-britain.com/hymns/ch...beside_me.html


AHIYAH
you might enjoy this

Yeah I did when I changed one of the words a couple times. There's some hymns I don't mind, there are others that just do not mesh with me, I'm more the King of Kings by Judy Mowatt, he still loves me by fighting temptations, and even one from my Samoa brothers Adeaze
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=ngaeszJvVuQ
I especially feel it when it changes to the Samoa language.
Ofc there are many songs and music that also define me. I am moved by songs in other cultures. Although Im not a Lord or LORD fan tbh. Cheers