GOSPEL OF THOMAS (new translation)

[jonesboy]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

(3) Jesus said:
“If your leaders say to you, ‘Look the Kingdom is in the sky!”
then the birds of the sky will be there before you.
If they say to you, ‘It’s in the Sea,’
then the fish will be there before you.

Non-dual..

[inavalan]

Not sure if verse #113 was mentioned ...

(113) His disciples said to him, "When will the kingdom come?"
<Jesus said,> "It will not come by waiting for it. It will not be a matter of saying 'here it is' or 'there it is.' Rather, the kingdom of the father is spread out upon the earth, and men do not see it."

113.1> on-the-soul, the-one which-depends on-the-flesh. > Said-they to-him, viz-his-disciples, this: The-kingdom,
113.2> she-is-coming on-which day? > She-is-coming not in-a-
113.3> -look outward; >they-will-be-speaking not this- " Beho-
113.4> -ld, that-side" or "Behold, that-one"; > Rather, the-kingdom of-the-father, she-is-spreading out upon-the-earth, and
114.1> men look not upon-her. > Said-Simon-Peter

So, the Kingdom isn't "up there", but "down here", and we just don't see it because we're under a hypnotic trance, induced by our human society, our education.

[FallingLeaves]

not that it matters. Other passages seem to indicate if someone actually looked at it and then told us about it, we'd all call him foolish and tell him to just go away.

So it seems like it is something ungraspable...

Originally Posted by BigJohn

So is "Heaven on Earth"? I would say it always was here..........

a lot of different energies are here and surround us. it's just a matter of discernment. which energies are we attuning with and manifesting in any given moment is the question.

[BigJohn]

    The Gospel of Thomas was never canonized.
VERSE 59

           
                   Jesus said,

            "While you are alive,
       take heed of the Living One,
         so that when you die and
         then seek the Living One,
     you will not be able to see him."

NOTE: This verse is not copyrighted. This is my own translation and is free for any one to use.

Big John,

This is like a dangling participle…..it just sits here without response. I would suggest that if you have taken heed perhaps you have put on the mind of Christ and now bear his likeness. We can clearly see others but cannot see ourselves. The trick nature of these postings is like fishermen’s tales: the first liar doesn’t stand a chance……:)

[jonesboy]

When you find a true guru/master (living one), stay constantly focused and connected, otherwise when you die you could get caught back up in the "world" again.

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

Rather, the kingdom is inside of you and outside of you.

seems like choosing one at the expense of the other may not be the best choice.

??

It is saying that we are a part of the only possible reality.

The best of all possible worlds, which is what modern science says of the Earth, given entropy and the anthropic principle.

Science has finally caught up with Gnostic Christians.

Now if only the god religions would.

Regards
DL

Originally Posted by inavalan

([color="Red"]My reason to ask you about these is that I don't think that any religion preaches that people could, nor should change here on Earth in such a way that they'd create a Heaven on Earth. I was looking for a confirmation of my assumption.

Inavalan,
The story of the Tower of Babel in Genesis 11 seems to support your belief……..

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

  VERSE 59

           
                   Jesus said,

            "While you are alive,
       take heed of the Living One,
         so that when you die and
         then seek the Living One,
     you will not be able to see him."

This verse is talking about Jesus as the "Living One" who 'saves' those who seek him from death.