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31-01-2021, 10:51 PM
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what next?
This evening David Attenborough looked at this world's future in the last of his 'Perfect Planet' series, looked at what humankind - all of us - have to start doing and doing damned quickly.
I fear even that quickly might not be quickly enough. Tree planting schemes are a beginning but there needs to be oh so many trees planted to make a significant difference and oh so many other schemes too.
Us oldies may be dead before the worst of the changes happen but the next generations will have to live with what we've done.
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01-02-2021, 06:06 AM
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This evening David Attenborough looked at this world's future in the last of his 'Perfect Planet' series, looked at what humankind - all of us - have to start doing and doing damned quickly.
I fear even that quickly might not be quickly enough. Tree planting schemes are a beginning but there needs to be oh so many trees planted to make a significant difference and oh so many other schemes too.
Us oldies may be dead before the worst of the changes happen but the next generations will have to live with what we've done.
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It's grim because the task is large, yet at the same time I have some degree of optimism too. It's more common now, at least in some countries, for a wide range of people in governments and engineering companies to include biodiversity and adaptation in their projects, whereas perhaps only 10 years ago it was mostly the concerns of ecologists and conservationists. The topic has become more mainstream and a singular focus within environmentalism on CO2 emissions and renewables is fading. People are slowly (very slowly) starting to think more holistically about the topic.
Of course, YMMV greatly depending on country and region.
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28-04-2021, 10:56 AM
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Things have to change.
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population control! More people there are the more energy in all angles is needed. Bottom line is people need to eat, keep warm, clothed and sheltered. The more people they are the more resources needed.
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28-04-2021, 10:59 AM
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What is worrying is that we have solutions available but actually only consume more and more with each decade. Two decades ago there were no smartphones and few had a laptop. Now most people have those and they need to be charged on a daily basis. And then there's now big data centres with energy demands, next up bitcoin. It seems to get worse and worse.
Oh and this has a DIRECT impact on the landscape, especially with the renewable/'green' energy craze, which has huge spatial impacts on ecosystems.
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28-04-2021, 11:13 AM
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What is worrying is that we have solutions available but actually only consume more and more with each decade. Two decades ago there were no smartphones and few had a laptop. Now most people have those and they need to be charged on a daily basis.
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Let's not forget that the push to clean up the atmosphere is leading the world down the path of developing electrically powered vehicles.
They're considered non-polluting (emissions) but producing the electrical energy they would need for battery charging will remain as dirty as ever until more renewable power can be generated. The electrical demands of smart-phones and computers is important of course but may be small by comparison.
I fear for the future of EV because the change from internal combustion engines will be huge and immensely expensive and there's no certainty how quickly it can be achieved on a large-enough scale. It's possible - perhaps more likely - that other vehicle power sources will be developed and hydrogen-powered engines are more likely to succeed in my view.
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28-04-2021, 11:18 AM
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population control! More people there are the more energy in all angles is needed. Bottom line is people need to eat, keep warm, clothed and sheltered. The more people they are the more resources needed.
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All we need is an equitable and acceptable way of reducing the number of new humans appearing in this world - piece o' wet! Or reducing the number already consuming the earth's resources - Soylent Green time....
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28-04-2021, 11:25 AM
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Yes, Bob. So we have smartphones and laptops that need recharging, homes and industries that need to be run on 'green' energy, and then all the cars as well. All of that on renewable energy?!! The spatial impact is huge and many of these renewable landscapes are built in or around environments that aren't cities or villages, iow in/near fragile ecosystems, on agricultural land, in the seas..
This is why I prefer we ADAPT (see thread title) to climate changes and create more green and blue environments that help create attractive livelihoods for people and habitat for those plants and animals that are able adapt to said changes, instead of trying our best to prevent climate change altogether.
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28-04-2021, 11:44 AM
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All we need is an equitable and acceptable way of reducing the number of new humans appearing in this world - piece o' wet! Or reducing the number already consuming the earth's resources - Soylent Green time....
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all we would have to do is take all warning labels off of everything and let the problem sort itself out.
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28-04-2021, 11:50 AM
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Yes, Bob. So we have smartphones and laptops that need recharging, homes and industries that need to be run on 'green' energy, and then all the cars as well. All of that on renewable energy?!! The spatial impact is huge and many of these renewable landscapes are built in or around environments that aren't cities or villages, iow in/near fragile ecosystems, on agricultural land, in the seas..
This is why I prefer we ADAPT (see thread title) to climate changes and create more green and blue environments that help create attractive livelihoods for people and habitat for those plants and animals that are able adapt to said changes, instead of trying our best to prevent climate change altogether.
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Oh I agree with your scepticism about the practicability..... Adaptation would be preferable but may be the epitome of perfection and unlikely to be achieved.
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