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Old 20-11-2023, 03:32 PM
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i think the big thing about our 'created' reality is, we don't much like it.

I create the one's that I like
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Old 20-11-2023, 03:44 PM
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“A free mind is one which is untroubled and unfettered by anything, which has not bound its best part to any particular manner of being or devotion and which does not seek its own interest in anything..." ― Meister Eckhart, Selected Writings

I think if one had a desire to be one with God, to no longer have self and God separate, they would have to figure out how to live or be without self, (selfless) (leaving only God) The one seeking would have to live free of a seeker. To travel to a destination by accepting where one was, was where one was going. Then travel no longer involves moving but instead a letting go of the idea one existed that moves.

Eckhart is said to have drawn a sharp distinction between the real existing God and our human concepts of God. To know God not as an idea or belief, but simply as the now as it is when we are fully present but not present as something or someone.

I can see why they put Eckhart on trial for heresy. They may have thought he was against the church but I think if they understood him completely, they would know that no one was there to be against anything. Well I guess one could say he was against any form of mental confinement. But that would be self interest. To be for or against, both equally invent a self. To be selfless, an idea cannot be entertained in anyway. One just lives in the mystery of the moment without an idea, without attachment (as attachment requires an idea about something) A relationship between me and that according to an idea I have about that. A "that" without a corresponding idea about that negates a separate me forming.
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Old 20-11-2023, 03:54 PM
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i think the big thing about our 'created' reality is, we don't much like it.

FallingLeaves,

Actually I would suggest the reverse is true…..we like it too much and this attachment produces blindness……:)
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Old 20-11-2023, 04:23 PM
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Being inferior to the gods, humans weren't allowed to share their wisdom in heaven, only their immortality. The eating from the Tree of Knowledge thus became the symbol of free will.

It's the matter of a stray dog ​​and a pedigree dog. Mutts do what they want, purebred dogs (must) obey their owner.

We fall from grace when using our free will to disobey the divine order.

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Old 20-11-2023, 05:05 PM
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I wanted to reply to #28 br FallingLeaves but the system prevented that. I had the opposite view believing instead that we love our reality too much. Our attachment to our own reality produces blindness IMO……
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Old 20-11-2023, 09:09 PM
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I think notions like 'perfect' are just thoughts about what happens.
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Old 21-11-2023, 09:19 AM
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Altair……..”surely everyone is eventually curious enough to eat the fruit.”

Ya gotta ask your self, why did God put the edible fruit there in the first place if they weren’t supposed to eat it.?

And secondly, if God is supposed to know everything then he knew it would be eaten. So why tell them not to eat it when he knew they would.

Doesn’t really make sense to me.

Imo opinion it’s probably a metaphor.

Sky. Yep I do the same!
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Old 21-11-2023, 11:02 AM
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Altair……..”surely everyone is eventually curious enough to eat the fruit.”
Ya gotta ask your self, why did God put the edible fruit there in the first place if they weren’t supposed to eat it.? And secondly, if God is supposed to know everything then he knew it would be eaten. So why tell them not to eat it when he knew they would.

Why would God at all make it knowing people would eat it anyway? Because we want to eat it and partake of this world because we want to experience all the diversity and vastness that this universe has to offer, that includes becoming physical and experience physical sensations, to express ourselves in numerous ways. We want to experience because it is simply possible, it exists, and all experience enriches our soul.

This is just my belief, and it's different from what Abrahamic religions and Indian religions say, they both seem to think of the universe as some sort of curse and one needs to escape from it, to make sure there is only one state of being 24/7 forever ever after (''paradise'' / ''liberation''). But from my point of view, the soul necessarily wants to experience existence in all its facets. I view it like a natural law, it's simply how it is. The soul wants all experience. It's not about sin, it's not about karma. It's about experiencing everything.
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Old 21-11-2023, 11:19 AM
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FallingLeaves,
Actually I would suggest the reverse is true…..we like it too much and this attachment produces blindness……:)
Would it not depend on what attachments you like ?
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Old 21-11-2023, 02:26 PM
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Would it not depend on what attachments you like ?
Not really…..attachment is attachment,,,,focus on one thing greatly narrows the field of vision…
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