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Old Today, 12:56 PM
Still_Waters Still_Waters is offline
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Originally Posted by Phaelyn
"Fake" or untrue is a touchy subject when it comes to spirituality and religion. Like I could list 20 things here I believe to be fake in that topic and I'd make a lot of people very mad and upset. People are very attached to their beliefs, true or untrue. Some beliefs we hold very dear and for anyone to question them evokes a strong and sometimes violent response.

One thing I'm aware of is in books where two different characters are speaking one can see evidence if it is just one person making up all the characters or not. Like in the book "Journey Of Souls" one can see the author and the people he is interviewing are in fact different persons. The author's view is clearly different from those he quotes. In fact, there are places one can see the author is interpreting some of those he quotes according to his own bias.

That's what I would say about Castaneda's books as well. Carlos and Don Juan's voices seem to be unique. It's possible for one person to pretend to be different characters with totally different speaking patterns and beliefs but it is not easy.

Does it matter if something is true or not? In one way no as we can believe anything we want. No one should tell another what to believe or what is true, unless their beliefs somehow harm others or convince one to harm others. So then one could point that out. It matter's to us what we believe is true as it determines what we do and how we act.

For me, this is what spirituality is, a search for truth. But then in Buddhism or Castaneda's books or whatever, one can read things and think, well I don't know if such and such is true or not, so then we seek to find out through our own experience as that is all we have to make such determinations and well, our own logic and contemplation. New evidence comes in all the time then we reflect and refine what we understand or believe.

I think truths exist. But then we all see "truths" through our own conditioning, experience, and bias. Like the example of the different people stating what an elephant is according to their own unique sensory experience of it. If one person gets bitten by a dog and another gets loved by the same dog, what is the truth about that's dog's nature? Is it loving or violent? Depends on the person what the dog is. We all have unique truths based on our own unique experience. To the person attacked by the dog, it is true the dog is violent. To the person loved by the dog, it is true the dog is loving. Both are true, just because something is subjective, does not mean it is not also objectively true. Truth has layers. Deeper and deeper ways to understand it. To one, the dog is violent, to another it is loving, both are true facts for them, but then a deeper truth is the dog is both. The dog changes what it is manifesting moment to moment according to circumstances and it's own conditioning.

Gurdjieff is another one who fits into the good writer category who didn't quite do everything about which he wrote.
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Originally Posted by sentient
Yes, and an ‘aloneness as one’s consort' feel too ….

At this point, having completely renounced his own comfort and privacy, paradoxically, the warrior finds himself more alone.
He is like an island sitting alone in the middle of a lake. Occasional ferry boats and commuters go back and forth between the shore and the island, but all that activity only expresses the further loneliness, or the aloneness, of the island.
Although the warrior’s life is dedicated to helping others, he realizes that he will never be able to completely share his experience with others.
The fullness of his experience is his own, and he must live with his own truth.
Yet he is more and more in love with the world. That combination of love affair and loneliness is what enables the warrior to constantly reach out to help others.
By renouncing his private world, the warrior discovers a greater universe and a fuller and fuller broken heart. This is not something to feel bad about: it is a cause for rejoicing. It is entering the warrior’s world.


The "aloneness" is something that most people don't mention and might not even realize.
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Yes, I'm truly a dunce
Living among trees and plants.
Please don't question me about illusion and enlightenment --
This old fellow just likes to smile to himself.
I wade across streams with bony legs,
And carry a bag about in fine spring weather.
That's my life,
And the world owes me nothing.

I could not agree more.

A Fisherman
Studying texts and stiff meditation can make you lose your Original Mind.
A solitary tune by a fisherman, though, can be an invaluable treasure.
Dusk rain on the river, the moon peeking in and out of the clouds;
Elegant beyond words, he chants his songs night after night.

Song can connect to many spiritual essences.
Just because I believe it today, doesn't mean I will believe it tomorrow.
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