What in life is truly objective and not subjective?

[AaronStar]

Please, let me know your thoughts.
What in life is truly objective and not subjective?

[inavalan]

That seems a very broad question, including sub-questions like what do you mean by life, what do you mean by objective, what do you mean by subjective, ... If you posted your thoughts in relation to your question, we could understand better what you want to discuss.

[AaronStar]

Originally Posted by inavalan

That seems a very broad question, including sub-questions like what do you mean by life, what do you mean by objective, what do you mean by subjective, ... If you posted your thoughts in relation to your question, we could understand better what you want to discuss.

Well, this is because as I meant it in the entirely general meaning.
By subjective I mean something determined by one's own perception and even created as a consequence by the state of mind / disposition.
What is not changeable in the broad universe, no matter what?
Where is the fine line between the two things - the subjective experience of the Self and what there really is, especially if there is nothing outside the Self; even if by Self we mean God's Consciousness.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by AaronStar

Well, this is because as I meant it in the entirely general meaning.
By subjective I mean something determined by one's own perception and even created as a consequence by the state of mind / disposition.
What is not changeable in the broad universe, no matter what?
Where is the fine line between the two things - the subjective experience of the Self and what there really is, especially if there is nothing outside the Self; even if by Self we mean God's Consciousness.

In my opinion ...

Everything you perceive with your five senses is subjective. All the knowledge you get through your five senses is subjective too.

Objective is what you get from your inner source of knowledge, only as much as you don't distort it with your beliefs and expectations.

There is no fine line. It's a clear cut.

With each level you go deeper inwards, the same thing repeats: what you create is subjective, the next level is objective to you.

The whole self is multidimensional, and you identify with its part your awareness focuses on.

[ayar415]

Originally Posted by AaronStar

Where is the fine line between the two things - the subjective experience of the Self and what there really is, especially if there is nothing outside the Self; even if by Self we mean God's Consciousness.

You asked a clear question “What in life is truly objective and not subjective?” It is clear to any philosopher to whom “objective” and “subjective” have specific meanings that are shareable within a specific domain of knowledge in academic philosophy. “Self” and “God Consciousness” are concepts of another framework of reference. When you jumble everything together you end up with chop suey and kill the inquiry.

invalan said: “Everything you perceive with your five senses is subjective. All the knowledge you get through your five senses is subjective too.” These are the beliefs of a paradigm that shapes our consensus worldview of subjective observers in an objective world. Here again, invalan explains “objective” in terms of a “multi-dimensional self” that no mainstream philosopher or scientist would accept.

The way I see it, you cannot mix spirituality up with objective reality. Each is a perspective of a reality based on a unique paradigm.

Objective reality is created by the scientist. Therefore, it is subjective.

Spirituality that is based on a paradigm is metaphysics. It deals with a supersensual realm that transcends objective reality. This form of spirituality is also subjective.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by AaronStar

Please, let me know your thoughts.
What in life is truly objective and not subjective?

It is said the powers that be once tried to isolate a man from everyone else... in the story the man couldn't cope with the distance and just died. I sorta believe that story so there is good reason for me to assume that other people do have an objective existance. I mean otherwise what is with such a desparate outlook as being so attached as to die without? What is the point?

Not that I'm inherently correct in any objective sense though, it is just what I currently think most likely to be true. Because after all it is me doing the thinking, after making certain observations that I can't help but classify as being totally subjective. But personally I believe if there is an objective reality you could only come to know it through subjective means anyway. At that point you have more of a relationship with it than an understanding of it though I suppose.

Beyond that I couldn't really speculate as to what might *really* be objectively real even though I do have a lot of ideas on the topic... having noticed that this whole place seems almost designed to defy all attempts at getting an accurate view of anything beyond what one is already predisposed to look for so it is silly to proclaim one really knows anything

[wstein]

Originally Posted by AaronStar

Please, let me know your thoughts.
What in life is truly objective and not subjective?

-the physicality of it
I.E. space-time continuum, matter, energy, change of things
-the process of its (ongoing) creation

Basically what is subjective is YOUR experience of it.

[Andy75]

Originally Posted by wstein

-the physicality of it
I.E. space-time continuum, matter, energy, change of things
-the process of its (ongoing) creation

Basically what is subjective is YOUR experience of it.

I am sorry but I disagree.
Quantum physicists knows that a measurement of sub-atomic particle can be influenced by the measuring action, thus by the scientist who perform the measurement.
Many metaphysics consider that as the consciousness of the scientist interferes with the measurement... I have a different opinion about that, nevertheless, if sub-atomic matter can be influenced by the measuring subject, in general all what we consider energy, matter and so on is subjective.
Holographic Universe of D. Bohm defines Virtual Universe what we experience as Universe, therefore it is subjective.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Andy75

Quantum physicists knows that a measurement of sub-atomic particle can be influenced by the measuring action, thus by the scientist who perform the measurement.

Yes!......

[wstein]

Originally Posted by Andy75

I am sorry but I disagree.
Quantum physicists knows that a measurement of sub-atomic particle can be influenced by the measuring action, thus by the scientist who perform the measurement.
Many metaphysics consider that as the consciousness of the scientist interferes with the measurement... I have a different opinion about that, nevertheless, if sub-atomic matter can be influenced by the measuring subject, in general all what we consider energy, matter and so on is subjective.
Holographic Universe of D. Bohm defines Virtual Universe what we experience as Universe, therefore it is subjective.

I am fairly versed in the measurement problem. Its true that the objective body/mind of the scientist which is made of quantum states affects objective reality. An 'observation' is NOT an act of consciousness. The observation is done by the quantum field of the measuring instrument which in rare cases is part of a scientist.

The subjective part happens after the fact if at all when consciousness looks at the "results". This would include any conclusions made about what the measurements "mean". By that time, objective reality has moved on.