Praying vs. trusting

green1 · #1 08-03-2021, 10:36 AM

Hello forum,

I hope you are all doing well.

I have a question about praying:

Do we have to pray? I guess not because God already tries to help. No? Isn’t “trusting” a better approach?

I hope I’ve made myself clear.

Thanks!

Cheers,
green1

Miss Hepburn · #2 08-03-2021, 11:55 AM

Hi, I wrote a long answer --then decided to pm it to you!

Unseeking Seeker · #3 08-03-2021, 04:19 PM

An interesting question!

Prayer as in an entreaty, a request .... what is the intent? If the prayer be to be connected, to feel the presence, to merge with the light, to be vivified in the blissful elixir of rapture, to be suffused with the fragrance of love ... then the prayer is illumined, whilst if it is to address any aspiration of mind body, then deluded.

Trust ... how do we trust? Trust implies surrender of our will. Is it head centric or heart oriented? Again, what is the intent, the need which requires us, prompts us to trust? How strong is the trust? What is its basis? Is it blind faith?

Ultimately, if prayer or trust are conscious ‘decisions’, meaning that they are thoughts of lower mind, ego, then self doubt is inbuilt, limiting outcomes.

On the other hand, if we meld head and heart, aligned with conscience, on a moment to moment basis, we abide in thought rested awareness ... which is what? What else but vaporising lower mind and flowing with higher mind, the mind of the universe. Then the question of prayer or trust is superfluous because there is no one here!

green1 · #4 09-03-2021, 09:44 AM

Interesting perspective Unseeking Seeker. Thanks.

Cheers,
green1

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Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

An interesting question!

Prayer as in an entreaty, a request .... what is the intent? If the prayer be to be connected, to feel the presence, to merge with the light, to be vivified in the blissful elixir of rapture, to be suffused with the fragrance of love ... then the prayer is illumined, whilst if it is to address any aspiration of mind body, then deluded.

Trust ... how do we trust? Trust implies surrender of our will. Is it head centric or heart oriented? Again, what is the intent, the need which requires us, prompts us to trust? How strong is the trust? What is its basis? Is it blind faith?

Ultimately, if prayer or trust are conscious ‘decisions’, meaning that they are thoughts of lower mind, ego, then self doubt is inbuilt, limiting outcomes.

On the other hand, if we meld head and heart, aligned with conscience, on a moment to moment basis, we abide in thought rested awareness ... which is what? What else but vaporising lower mind and flowing with higher mind, the mind of the universe. Then the question of prayer or trust is superfluous because there is no one here!

Native spirit · #5 09-03-2021, 10:52 AM

No one has to pray it is your choice as to whether you do or not.
as for trust you need to trust your instincts .
if something feels right then it is or vice versa

Namaste

green1 · #6 09-03-2021, 11:16 AM

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Originally Posted by Native spirit

No one has to pray it is your choice as to whether you do or not.
as for trust you need to trust your instincts .
if something feels right then it is or vice versa

Namaste

This makes sense. Thanks Native spirit.

Cheers,
green1

FairyCrystal · #7 09-03-2021, 01:25 PM

I think it depends why you pray.
Abraham Hicks addressed this. There can be a notion of fear, lack, etc. in a prayer. People usually turn to praying when they're in need of something. Then you send out the message of that and you will get more lack, fear and so on.

I think prayer in essence was meant to not be like that but instead to actually open people up so they could receive. In that sense the reason of it is to bring you in alignment, a peaceful mindset and OUT of lack, fear, etc.

The problem we have is that we get caught in the asking-phase. But like Abe says, as soon as you ask it is given. The reason it doesn't come is that you keep asking, and thus not open to receiving it.

I think prayers was meant to put us in the receiving state but somehow digressed / changed into something else.

green1 · #8 09-03-2021, 02:42 PM

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Originally Posted by FairyCrystal

I think it depends why you pray.
Abraham Hicks addressed this. There can be a notion of fear, lack, etc. in a prayer. People usually turn to praying when they're in need of something. Then you send out the message of that and you will get more lack, fear and so on.

I think prayer in essence was meant to not be like that but instead to actually open people up so they could receive. In that sense the reason of it is to bring you in alignment, a peaceful mindset and OUT of lack, fear, etc.

The problem we have is that we get caught in the asking-phase. But like Abe says, as soon as you ask it is given. The reason it doesn't come is that you keep asking, and thus not open to receiving it.

I think prayers was meant to put us in the receiving state but somehow digressed / changed into something else.

This is interesting Fairy. Thank you.

Cheers,
green1