Religion = Depression

Spiritualfreedom, I think you like me guard the free will concept.

I find religion as a subject when looking at it historically, culturally interesting but I have realized I have another perspective than some people that has been firmly raised into a religion. Lots of rules nobody speak off.

I think it is horrendous that some people stop thinking for themselves and think they are good people, good spirits and will have the righ to go to heaven - while that punk over there, ha ha, he or she who was born and worship the wrong god - well, that one will go to hell or no place - serve he/she right.

I think sometimes religion separate some people, isolate some people - and that is pretty dumb when one start to think about it, it should not have to be that way.

I have no judgemental against any religion and has had the fortune to be let in so to say, I know people from all kinds of different religions and they have been nothing but warm and welcoming to me and they are happy to explain if I ask things, and I see a lot of similarities between religions too.

In the past and too in the present FEAR is baked in just about anything and religion with it's historical, cultural heavy baggage is no exception. Fear ruled in the past, molded people to do what was asked. When one is afraid one stop to think. Fear is the opposite of love. Love can't grow where fear is. This why so devestating when someone you love has hurt you and it is not just that hurt but the fear that they will hurt you again, you can't trust them.

I think you spiritual freedom simply want to discover things for yourself and not be told things that is from other people, right?

And you dont' want to accept everything just because you accept a part they teach in that religion? You simply want to think for yourself and keep your free thought and free will? That is how I read you, anyhow. And there is nothing wrong with that.

I respect and understand that religion give people satisfaction, safety and a place where they feel they belong and something sacred they can give to the next generation.

I just see holy books and religion more from a historical, cultural and political view and from that view it is important, an important legacy to know about but one has to pretty much pick and chose what fit ones personality, road in life I think in order to not let go of the free will, free thinking, ones own responsibility, to ask questions etc and be the best person one can be to one self and to those around. To treat people, all people, animals, nature with respect, mutual respect, not fear-based, there's a difference.

I for one think we are all Gods children, no matter what religion or no religion one is brought up in or chose from. I guess to me, my god is intelligence, love, free will and learning.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Untersberg56

Miss Hepburn
Without going into too much history, you may find the following of interest:

Die Isais Offenbarung (“The Isais Revelation”)

In about 1222 AD,......

Thank you.

[Altair]

Originally Posted by asearcher

I respect and understand that religion give people satisfaction, safety and a place where they feel they belong and something sacred they can give to the next generation.

I just see holy books and religion more from a historical, cultural and political view and from that view it is important, an important legacy to know about but one has to pretty much pick and chose what fit ones personality, road in life I think in order to not let go of the free will, free thinking, ones own responsibility, to ask questions etc and be the best person one can be to one self and to those around. To treat people, all people, animals, nature with respect, mutual respect, not fear-based, there's a difference.

I for one think we are all Gods children, no matter what religion or no religion one is brought up in or chose from. I guess to me, my god is intelligence, love, free will and learning.

Great thoughts Asearcher.

I too think of so called ''holy'' books purely as glimpses into the history, culture and politics of a time and place. They are limiting our human experience, putting us in a box. Like you said, there is much to say for free thinking and one's own responsibility, asking questions and so forth. Thanks for mentioning nature and animals and not just taking the neatly structured (religious) man-made traditions as foundation.

[Love~is~All]

Originally Posted by Untersberg56

Die Isais Offenbarung (“The Isais Revelation”)

I found your thread on this topic. So this is your religion, and you are very, very devoted. Understood.

It seems as you have many posts on this topic, and it's what you write about with every post. Are you willing to try something? :) Please explain how another religion resolves the OP's issue. What does your religion have to do with the thread topic of depression?

I'm quite serious. I would like to hear how your religion see this. You've written pages on the tenets and history of this religion, but how does any of that tie in with the topic of depression? Practically speaking? What is the practical guidance of your religion? That would be helpful and relevant for the OP. I'm a hands on spiritualist, and just believing in a particular Goddess certainly cannot be the answer.

Love! Always Love. :)

[Untersberg56]

Earth is one of the hells. The Buddha said as much.

We are not here to enjoy ourselves, have a good time or get rich. This time, this life, we must understand that, and be determined that at death we are not coming back here yet again. There is no time or place for depression. We must have self-discipline.

I do not know why you think that I have written a great deal about the Untersberg Revelations or the associated promise of Our Lady of All Peoples Who Once Was Mary made at Akita, Japan and Amsterdam. Most of it I have refrained from posting. All that preaching ever does is lead to endless discussions and opinionating and useless self-examination.

The important thing is Faith and the resolve to get out of Purgatory quick at death by accepting the method of the Co-Redemptrix. And to cultivate the bodhicitta Mind.

[Love~is~All]

Originally Posted by Untersberg56

I do not know why you think that I have written a great deal about the Untersberg Revelations or the associated promise of Our Lady of All Peoples Who Once Was Mary made at Akita, Japan and Amsterdam. Most of it I have refrained from posting.

I've found two threads you started on this topic, plus a good number of individual posts with the same information. That is why, to answer your question. So you do this a lot, you have posted many posts about this. That is what I pointed out because you have done that. And pages was dramatic I admit but I am a theatre graduate so please consider that.

Originally Posted by Untersberg56

All that preaching ever does is lead to endless discussions and opinionating and useless self-examination.

A good percentage of that post you just wrote, was you preaching the tenets of your religion.

I asked if your religion had anything to offer re help/guidance for depression and the thread topic. Your religion's advice then is, "Life is hell and you will never reincarnate, plus we are not here to enjoy, and there no place for depression."

This is the OP's exact problem with religion, you don't appear to understand his original post. It's that sort of religious preaching that causes real and actual depression in people. It's the problem, not the answer.

[Love~is~All]

BTW everyone: Earth and Life is Love! Buddha Me told me that. :)

Actually it was a Star Goddess who whispered it in my ear, so gently...

[Love~is~All]

One more thing: religion is not the problem, I didn't mean to suggest that re the OPs original post. The problem is people are susceptible to depression when religious and spiritual tenets are presented to them as commands from On High, by the people who think that's how God/Spirit "operates".

Spirit works like I do, never. Every day is a glorious celebration and holiday. It is hell, yes, the prophets were correct, but I bear with it. I just take deep breaths, and the laughing and giggling does settle down eventually, for a short time.

Love!

feel free to dump religion, it is man made not god made see god in a flower

[Love~is~All]

Originally Posted by Untersberg56

We are not here to enjoy ourselves, have a good time or get rich. This time, this life, we must understand that. We must have self-discipline.

Untersberg, if by this you mean becoming a dedicated, conscious spiritual student, then I agree, that is great wisdom.

Just no "must." We do our conscious best, that's all. It's all Love, every aspect of Life. And yes, that is my religion, and no one will ever get depressed following it!