Let us talk about ourselves

[J_A_S_G]

Originally Posted by Catastrophicfailure

As imamthat said, he said that I am the cause of my trouble, how freeing isn't that?

Yup, it is. In essence it's the "Second Arrow" parable.

https://mindfulnessmeditation.net.au/arrow/

‘If a person is struck by an arrow, is it painful? If the person is struck by a second arrow, is it even more painful?’

He then went on to explain,

‘In life, we can’t always control the first arrow. However, the second arrow is our reaction to the first. This second arrow is optional.’

[Catastrophicfailure]

Originally Posted by J_A_S_G

‘In life, we can’t always control the first arrow. However, the second arrow is our reaction to the first. This second arrow is optional.’[/color][/i]

This is a great quote, and i see it clearly. Thank you for that

[Catastrophicfailure]

Originally Posted by iamthat

then we can simply be ourselves in this moment without the need for anything to be any different.

Peace

This is wonderful news, for some reason i needed this severely. You seem to share exactly what i needed in these moments. Basic truths hold a lot of power

[Catastrophicfailure]

I'm also thinking, if we are enough as we are, then it means we are pure.
Whatever impurity that might arise in thought or feeling or w/e then should grab a hold of us if we are impure.
So the way should be to remain as we are in order to see if the impure can get a hold, otherwise we are pure as snow as we are.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by J_A_S_G

Then Sadhguru said it and it was something like "Open up a small space between mind and consciousness" and it struck like a lightning bolt. It wasn't the power of Sadhguru or the words he spoke. It was what it pointed to that I was already experiencing in deep meditation and never fully understood/realized. It was a major shift in perspective and there's no going back.

Exactly. The words we hear may not be new but we are at a point where these words resonate like never before. Then, as you say, there is a major shift in perspective and there's no going back.

Peace

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Catastrophicfailure

So all this seems to be a story as you say, I wonder where this can go from here ... I'm also thinking, if we are enough as we are, then it means we are pure. ... So the way should be to remain as we are in order to see if the impure can get a hold, otherwise we are pure as snow as we are.

Of course, I cannot claim to have said anything original. This approach really sank in for me when I read Byron Katie. She emphasised that the cause of all our suffering is that we believe the story we tell ourselves. Let go of the story and we are free to be present with whatever is.

And even if we find ourselves still in resistance to whatever is present, then resistance is simply what is present so allow the resistance to be present. It will pass.

Yes, we are pure. We are not impure beings who have to somehow strive to become pure. We are already pure. We just have to let go of whatever is obscuring our purity, and then our inner light (which has always been present) can shine forth.

Peace

[Catastrophicfailure]

Originally Posted by iamthat

We just have to let go of whatever is obscuring our purity, and then our inner light (which has always been present) can shine forth.

Peace

One other thing I just have to bring up for no apparent reason is that we seem to be free as we are right now.
To search for a way in order to be free is faulty because it disregards our innate true lion that is free for no other reason than being free.
If we come from this standpoint we should be able to see all this clearly, this mess: that we seemingly have put ourselves in.
It's funny, we search for a way out
But
It
Seems
Like there's no way out, because we are coming from a faulty perspective about this mess. It's like what Rumi writes about, that he is knocking from the inside.
How about we are free beings first, and act from it, see what it might bring
We
Might
Have
Been
Free
All along

amen

[Starman]

Musings……

It is late in the evening, and I was walking to a small store not far from my house. As the store comes into view,
I notice a scattered group of people out front of the store. These people were gathered around a guy. The guy
who they were gathered around were giving them, people who were around him, twenty-dollar bills to slug him.

He would give them money to hit him, punch him hard with their fists. This guy was in bad shape emotionally and
mentally, and now he was getting a physical pounding. It was not long before a young woman pulled up in a car,
grabbed the guy who was paying people to punch him, and she dragged the guy, with help from the crowd, put
him in her car and drove off.

I do not know the relationship of people involved, whether they knew each other or not. It was the brutality, a person
paying people to inflict pain on him, and people who were willing to oblige him, and inflict that pain. From what everyone
said it was self-inflicted punishment for reasons unknown. I was in a very peaceful, comfortable, and sweet place when
I witnessed this.

It was over shortly after I arrived, otherwise I most probably would have intervened. It's really quite a balancing position
for me. I have been engaged in a lot of ethereal stuff lately, and I see only beauty and love, but when encountered with a
scene like I just described; feeling empathy and sympathy for that guy who paid others to inflict pain on him yet
understanding and believing that this is part of his prescribed life’s path.

Why do we beat ourselves up? Why do we get angry with ourselves? I have experienced a lot of pain in my life and also,
I have experienced a lot of bliss and deep fulfillment. I do not want to judge anything, especially my own experiences.
they are all linked. Questions to puzzles in human life are on a different frequency than the answers to those questions.
It is amazing to feel love and see beauty even when faced with the pain and suffering of others, as well as our own.

Going in and out of the play, in and out of the drama. Sometimes on the stage and at other times in the audience.

[Starman]

In my experience, freedom while living inside of a human body is a
lot different than freedom when we have an out-of-body or
near-death experience which takes us into different realms.

Freedom when we are disembodied is incredible. You can animate
yourself and move around purely by your will, and you can travel at
very high speeds, walking, running, floating, flying with only your
consciousness. No outer vehicle or other devices.

Freedom brings with it an incredible feeling, to extremes it has
no limitations or restrictions. In human life we have a conditional
existence based on limitations and restriction, but we can still feel
free within our mind and within our human body.

"With great freedom comes great responsibility."

[Catastrophicfailure]

Originally Posted by Starman

Musings……

It is late in the evening, and I was walking to a small store not far from my house. As the store comes into view,

What a story Starman! It looks quite simple on the surface but the simple things can have the absolute most feeling and reality of rawness to them.

Thank you for sharing that.


Freedom from the vehichle in order to be really free sounds wonderful.
I've seen beings that i suspect have the same freedom like that, my guides tell me not to talk about him/her, maybe i can say something:
The being i saw was multicolored like a rainbow, the size of a skyscraper and was just waiting to help me it seemed like, i made an inner vow not to bug him at all and left him be, we were in space.

Freedom comes in many forms but i believe that true freedom looks like a child in the world, yes we will always be bound to the body in the world, to the laws of consciousness and the cosmos, but i don't think it is a drawback.
No, i think it is here we can have the freedom IN the thing we are IN, some other place might not have that, yes our body aches and have pain, but to me that's the part of the freedom as well, it's hard to put into words what i truly mean here, but i speak from a inner place where this is true to me.
I see this place as heaven, this whole cosmos as a slice of heaven but heaven nonetheless, othwerwise we wouldn't have laughing children, relationships that are built on pure love and understanding, good food, etc.

To me this is heaven