Let us talk about ourselves

[Catastrophicfailure]

For what this life is worth, how much is it worth?
Is it worth all our pain? Sorrows? All the truth we bear for a higher purpose?

Is it truly worth it in the end? We expect that enlightment will fulfill our need and satisfy it adequately, but if it doesn't?
All we are doing is chasing an idea about enlightment or transcendence in order to reach there, but what if the destination isn't worth it?
Can we complain, call the manager? We are so strong, we humans are inexpressably powerful once we have designated a course for our life, this is true.

I wish to talk about so much but i don't even know where to begin. Can we begin where we are? Where are you on your journey? How does it feel? How ARE you where you are? Is it enough where you are right now? I sure hope so, otherwise i will call my inner manager in order to help you out a bit, i sure can help.

I wish everybody peace and happiness today, don't let the day bring you down, we need to be strong, there's no doubt about that sweethearts,

Take care

Jim

PS: I put this in spirituality because i want a spiritual perspective on this discussion,
all earthly things fade but if we store treasures in heaven we will surely have them forever.

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Catastrophicfailure

... life...Is it worth all our pain?
... enlightment... but what if the destination isn't worth it?
.. otherwise i will call my inner manager in order to help you out a bit..

Hi, Welcome here. :)
Wanting to understand better to comment ..

We can only begin from where we are are, right? Is life worth our pains?
Do you personally think enlightment is not worth it, perhaps just an idea?
Call the manager - do you mean pray, in more common terms?
I just didn't quite understand.
How do I feel...on my journey? SUPER! :)

Btw, What is the big failure - re your chosen name?
Thanks

[Catastrophicfailure]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

We can only begin from where we are are, right? Is life worth our pains?
Do you personally think enlightment is not worth it, perhaps just an idea?

We can only begin and end from where we are, this is true.

As far as enlightment we can't know until we are there to experience the so-called enlightment that we have a cherished idea about.

There's no manager to call as far as i know it, he is called GOD but where he is is somewhere obscure, at least for me, i would like to call him and tell him a lot about why he's putting us in so much trouble. I do understand that trouble is what the path is asking of us, in order to reach enlightment a destructive process of everything we held cherished need to take place.

Im so happy you feel happy on the journey! Glad for you, just so you know. Keep on fighting

Idk, the name felt right, it feels like my whole life is a catastrophe, not getting around that, however!, easier has my life been since i created my username.

I wish you well

[Catastrophicfailure]

To me life is worth it, there's been days and moments we i've wanted to be somewhere else, but through supernatural events and miraculous happenings that both saved and swayed me away from being "somewhere else", i've stuck around. There's no denying that life beats us up, but we seem to be stronger than the worst that is happening to us, in that i am very happy, to find strength and supernatural guidance that saves us when times has been too much.

I'm asking if enlightment is really worth it because enlightment is my only way out from this pain i am having, i've tried it all and not a crumb of happiness remains in what i've tried, i do not find happiness anywhere so of course i ask these big questions. I do not know if enlightment will be worth it, i am putting all my eggs in the same basket hoping for a better tommorow.

And as far as the idea of enlightment, it is just an idea, do you have it? Do you have the idea you have been putting on a pedestal? If not, it is just an idea in your own constructed world about the whole of reality, do you see what i mean here folks? If it is just an idea in our own world that we have created from the information about enlightment, what solid foundation of it exists then? So the questions remains, is the "so-called" enlightment worth it? Is it worth the trouble it creates? I say no, but i'm crazy enough to continue

And where i am in my journey, how i am feeling etc.
Not too good, i am a hopeless case of a damaged human with no seeming way out in the physical form, i've been holding on to the trancendental realms in order to find freedom from this pain i am having.

Good luck everybody, life is hard, but we are tougher

[J_A_S_G]

Originally Posted by Catastrophicfailure

I wish everybody peace and happiness today, don't let the day bring you down, we need to be strong, there's no doubt about that sweethearts

Today is a spectacular day. It's my last day of work and as of tomorrow I'm semi-retired until December when I file for Social Security and will be officially retired.

At this inflection point I can talk about myself in several ways, however regardless of employed today, unemployed tomorrow or fully retired in December I'm still 'Me'. I can tell the story different ways, however it doesn't change what I really Am. Fully realizing that last bit is what's referred to as Enlightenment.

[Catastrophicfailure]

Originally Posted by J_A_S_G

Today is a spectacular day. It's my last day of work and as of tomorrow I'm semi-retired until December when I file for Social Security and will be officially retired.

I am very happy for you, good days are ahead, we are never really bored when we have a spiritual path to pursue.

The me will remain or it won't, the thing you and I AM is seemingly real, that is what i can understand from this experience i'm having. It seems real, maybe you are plugged into it but i am not so i can only speak from my experience of it. What remains should be real, what remains is what remains after nothing remained, THAT THING IS REAL according to my understanding.

[J_A_S_G]

Originally Posted by Catastrophicfailure

THAT THING IS REAL.

That No Thing is all that truly Is.

[Catastrophicfailure]

Originally Posted by J_A_S_G

That No Thing is all that truly Is.

Wonderful, I look forward staying there, hopefully it's a home for raggedy and wild souls like me. I am always focusing on going somewhere where i can rest my head, all the small advances do point that i'm on the right track. You seem to know that place

[Starman]

Musings……

It is late in the evening, and I was walking to a small store not far from my house. As the store comes into view,
I notice a scattered group of people out front of the store. These people were gathered around a guy. The guy
who they were gathered around were giving them, people who were around him, twenty-dollar bills to slug him.

He would give them money to hit him, punch him hard with their fists. This guy was in bad shape emotionally and
mentally, and now he was getting a physical pounding. It was not long before a young woman pulled up in a car,
grabbed the guy who was paying people to punch him, and she dragged the guy, with help from the crowd, put
him in her car and drove off.

I do not know the relationship of people involved, whether they knew each other or not. It was the brutality, a person
paying people to inflict pain on him, and people who were willing to oblige him, and inflict that pain. From what everyone
said it was self-inflicted punishment for reasons unknown. I was in a very peaceful, comfortable, and sweet place when
I witnessed this.

It was over shortly after I arrived, otherwise I most probably would have intervened. It's really quite a balancing position
for me. I have been engaged in a lot of ethereal stuff lately, and I see only beauty and love, but when encountered with a
scene like I just described; feeling empathy and sympathy for that guy who paid others to inflict pain on him yet
understanding and believing that this is part of his prescribed life’s path.

Why do we beat ourselves up? Why do we get angry with ourselves? I have experienced a lot of pain in my life and also,
I have experienced a lot of bliss and deep fulfillment. I do not want to judge anything, especially my own experiences.
they are all linked. Questions to puzzles in human life are on a different frequency than the answers to those questions.
It is amazing to feel love and see beauty even when faced with the pain and suffering of others, as well as our own.

Going in and out of the play, in and out of the drama. Sometimes on the stage and at other times in the audience.

[Starman]

In my experience, freedom while living inside of a human body is a
lot different than freedom when we have an out-of-body or
near-death experience which takes us into different realms.

Freedom when we are disembodied is incredible. You can animate
yourself and move around purely by your will, and you can travel at
very high speeds, walking, running, floating, flying with only your
consciousness. No outer vehicle or other devices.

Freedom brings with it an incredible feeling, to extremes it has
no limitations or restrictions. In human life we have a conditional
existence based on limitations and restriction, but we can still feel
free within our mind and within our human body.

"With great freedom comes great responsibility."