The Speaking Tree article

Unseeking Seeker · #1 20-12-2022, 04:00 AM

Today’s article from The Speaking Tree quotes these lines from Bhagwad Gita:

“With devotion by controlling their mind and senses, those who concentrate on me as a shapeless, indestructible, invisible, unimaginable, eternal and unmovable, realise me. However, this path is difficult, since it is abstract. One can also reach me by doing one’s own prescribed duty with diligence, without any desire for its fruits.”

I liked these words, just sharing.

Aupmanyav · #2 20-12-2022, 07:22 AM

The speaking tree has not given the verse and chapter number. Do you happen to know that?
"a shapeless, indestructible, invisible, [Strike]unimaginable[/Strike], eternal and unmovable, realise me", this goes perfectly well with Adaita.
Cannot be unimaginable, because we are already imagining it. If we do not imagine it, then it results in a void and the mentioned properties will not apply.

Unseeking Seeker · #3 20-12-2022, 07:46 AM

No, I’m not aware of the verse or chapter number.

Essentially, what resonates with me is that we go beyond concepts of form. The void, as you mention is dark nothingness, yet vibrant and alive with God consciousness. Dependence on mind and senses induces us to cognise and visualise reality as form rather than sense it as vibration.

Aupmanyav · #4 20-12-2022, 10:10 AM

Being an atheist, I am not familiar with God Consciousness.

Unseeking Seeker · #5 20-12-2022, 01:05 PM

@ Aupmanyav ~ well, substitute the term God consciousness with universal consciousness then or ask, what is our consciousness, our aliveness, what is the source of our breath?

Either which ways, analysing with mind does not help.

Atheist is actually a rigid stand, maybe agnostic is better, saying we don’t know? Unless atheist comes from direct knowing.

Aupmanyav · #6 21-12-2022, 06:36 AM

I do not believe in universal consciousness except in a quantum way.
For me as a follower of science, breathing is a reflex action because of body wanting to replace the accumulated carbon Di-oxide in the blood with oxygen.
There can be no analysis without brain and mind.
Agnosticism is like sitting on the fence for no reason, even when no evidence for God or soul has been found in the last 5,000 years.
But again that is my view. You are welcome to your view.

ajay00 · #7 21-12-2022, 07:42 AM

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Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

One can also reach me by doing one’s own prescribed duty with diligence, without any desire for its fruits.”

Brahman or the Self is pure consciousness.

The gita states that conscientious performance of one's duties without desire for results can result in purification of consciousness.

Unseeking Seeker, what are your thoughts on this !

Unseeking Seeker · #8 21-12-2022, 08:53 AM

@ Ajay ~ in my view, the words Brahaman or Self or pure consciousness are nebulous unless correlated with recognition through direct experience in thought rested stillness. Language is dualistic. On this forum, people don’t even agree on what ego means, for example.

What I can share is this: all that is, is within. There is nothing external.

We need to stop thought flow since we cannot use mind to go beyond mind. Strangely, some advanced spiritual practitioners here say this is impossible. So, how then may we begin our inquiry?

As of what is clear to me is that there is only the Self/ God/ Brahman … whatever name we wish to assign. Look at our form constructed from the elements earth, water, fire, air and ether. It is but dust. We are being breathed by God’s breath as are all other forms, the one then appearing as the many. This recognition is offered in direct experience. So who are we? We are nothing and yet the all. Tat Tvam Asi (That thou art).

As for detachment from outcomes, it relates to identity (ego), doesn’t it? The Self has no such concerns so the question never arises. Realisation is simply the dropping away of identity, becoming empty, so that the light of truth is revealed without mirrors. Then there remains no separation between Jiva (mind-body), Atma (soul) and Paramatma (Self/ God)

Miss Hepburn · #9 21-12-2022, 02:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

“With devotion by controlling their mind and senses, those who concentrate on me as a shapeless, indestructible,
invisible, unimaginable, eternal and unmovable, realise me. However, this path is difficult, since it is abstract. ”

Thank you. Abstract is my middle name....I know this verse WELL!
And live by it!!!! I pause and Practice the Presence all the time for decades now.
And I have done Thought Control for 15 years ...a must for me.
(I dunno how people cope without doing this. I mean, because life here can be so tough...
thought control is my peace and the Divine Presence is my heart.)