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Old 10-09-2021, 05:36 PM
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I meant as a metaphor but thanks anyway

That's alright I was just seeing if I could get my frontal lobe working correctly.
I guess I'm due for a tuneup.
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Old 10-09-2021, 06:06 PM
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Some people claim that the frontal region or the front part of the brain has nothing to do with lying. While others say that the region of sin is different from the region of lying

. Therefore, I considered it useful to disclose the results of the experiment conducted by researchers at the University of Pennsylvania on 18 students. The results are as follows:

When the students lied, the areas of the brain that play a role in attention and error control were more active than when the students told the truth.

Scientists explain their experience that the area responsible for sin is the same area that is activated when lying, and it is at the top, the front part of the brain closest to the front. This particular part is called an forelock in the Qur’an,

" No! If he does not desist, We will surely drag him by the forelock –A lying, sinning forelock.” Are there more expressive words than God's words to describe this region?

Through the words of Western scholars, I can see an explanation of what is stated in the Qur'an. scientists say that the upper frontal region of the brain near the head or forehead, is the area responsible for the sin process, and the same that controls lying. This means that a person (unbeliever, of course) is a liar and a sinner

https://academic.oup.com/brain/article/125/3/624/519091
http://www.dr-mcginnis.com/how_it_works.htm
Can fMRI Really Tell If You're Lying?, http://www.sciam.com/article.cfm?id=new-lie-detector

Brain Scans Can Detect Lying, http://preventdisease.com/news/artic...ct_lying.shtml

https://www.blifaloo.com/lies_eyes/h...rs/default.htm

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Old 10-09-2021, 06:14 PM
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Somoo can you Post a link to the Scientific Article please that shows damaged brain cells if one tells lies etc:
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Old 10-09-2021, 06:19 PM
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Quote somoo.
'This means that a person (unbeliever, of course) is a liar and a sinner'

That is just your personal opinion and not Scientific evidence
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Old 10-09-2021, 06:20 PM
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That's alright I was just seeing if I could get my frontal lobe working correctly.
I guess I'm due for a tuneup.
I oil mine occasionally
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Old 10-09-2021, 10:23 PM
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The researchers confirm that any wrong behavior by a person, or any lie practiced by him, … or other wrong actions, lead to damage to the cells of this area, meaning that the forelock area



A University of Southern California study has found the firstproof of structural brain abnormalities in people who habitually lie,cheat and manipulate others.

While previous research has shownthat there is heightened activity in the prefrontal cortex – the areaof the brain that enables most people to feel remorse or learn moralbehavior – when normal people lie, this is the first study to provideevidence of structural differences in that area among pathologicalliars.

The research – led by Yaling Yang and Adrian Raine, bothof the USC College of Letters, Arts and Sciences – is published in theOctober issue of the British Journal of Psychiatry.

The subjectswere taken from a sample of 108 volunteers pulled from Los Angeles'temporary employment pool. A series of psychological tests andinterviews placed 12 in the category of people who had a history ofrepeated lying (11 men, one woman); 16 who exhibited signs ofantisocial personality disorder but not pathological lying (15 men, onewoman); and 21 who were normal controls (15 men, six women).

"Welooked for things like inconsistencies in their stories aboutoccupation, education, crimes and family background," said Raine, apsychology professor at USC and co-author of the study.

"Pathologicalliars can't always tell truth from falsehood and contradict themselvesin an interview. They are manipulative and they admit they prey onpeople. They are very brazen in terms of their manner, but very coolwhen talking about this."

Aside from having histories of conningothers or using aliases, the habitual liars also admitted tomalingering, or telling falsehoods to obtain sickness benefits, Rainesaid.

After they were categorized, the researchers used MagneticResonance Imaging to explore structural brain differences between thegroups. The liars had significantly more "white matter" and slightlyless "gray matter" than those they were measured against, Raine said.

Specifically,liars had a 25.7 percent increase in prefrontal white matter comparedto the antisocial controls and a 22 percent increase compared to thenormal controls. Liars had a 14.2 percent decrease in prefrontal graymatter compared to normal controls.

More white matter – thewiring in the brain – may provide liars with the tools necessary tomaster the complex art of deceit, Raine said.

"Lying takes a lot of effort," he said.

"It'salmost mind reading. You have to be able to understand the mindset ofthe other person. You also have to suppress your emotions or regulatethem because you don't want to appear nervous. There's quite a lot todo there. You've got to suppress the truth.

"Our argument is thatthe more networking there is in the prefrontal cortex, the more theperson has an upper hand in lying. Their verbal skills are higher.They've almost got a natural advantage."

But in normal people,it's the gray matter – or the brain cells connected by the white matter– that helps keep the impulse to lie in check.

University of Southern California. "First Evidence Of Brain Abnormalities Found In Pathological Liars." ScienceDaily. ScienceDaily, 2 October 2005. <www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2005/10/051002115557.htm>.

https://www.sciencedaily.com/release...1002115557.htm


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This means that a person (unbeliever, of course) is a liar and a sinner
Um. No, it does not.
Does 'believing' make all Muslim's terrorist murderers, then?
I know many 'unbelievers'...they are not liars and sinners... no more than
believers...often LESS!
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somoo,
interesting article.
You wrote " scientists say that the upper frontal region of the brain near the head or forehead, is the area responsible for the sin process, and the same that controls lying. This means that a person (unbeliever, of course) is a liar and a sinner." The last sentence, is speculative and conjecture.

It might indicate who is the liar and/or deceitful.

Thanks once more for sharing that study.
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Old 11-09-2021, 05:37 AM
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Quote somoo 'The researchers confirm that any wrong behavior by a person, or any lie practiced by him, … or other wrong actions, lead to damage to the cells of this area, meaning that the forelock area'

No it actually doesn't say that somoo. What is says is ,
"First Evidence Of Brain Abnormalities Found In Pathological Liars" which is completely different to what you said .
A Pathological liar has an illness because of Abnormalities not because they lie and cause damage to cells themselves.

The cause is Abnormalities and the effect is Pathological lying not the other way around.
A Pathological liar has an illness so therefore is innocent of any wrongdoing, and is definitely NOT a 'sinner'
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Old 11-09-2021, 05:40 AM
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Um. No, it does not.
Does 'believing' make all Muslim's terrorist murderers, then?
I know many 'unbelievers'...they are not liars and sinners... no more than
believers...often LESS!
Agree 100%...
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