Spiritual Forums

Home


Donate!


Articles


CHAT!


Shop


 
Welcome to Spiritual Forums!.

We created this community for people from all backgrounds to discuss Spiritual, Paranormal, Metaphysical, Philosophical, Supernatural, and Esoteric subjects. From Astral Projection to Zen, all topics are welcome. We hope you enjoy your visits.

You are currently viewing our boards as a guest, which gives you limited access to most discussions and articles. By joining our free community you will be able to post messages, communicate privately with other members (PM), respond to polls, upload your own photos, and gain access to our Chat Rooms, Registration is fast, simple, and free, so please, join our community today! !

If you have any problems with the registration process or your account login, check our FAQs before contacting support. Please read our forum rules, since they are enforced by our volunteer staff. This will help you avoid any infractions and issues.

Go Back   Spiritual Forums > Religions & Faiths > General Religion

Reply
 
Thread Tools Display Modes
  #1  
Old 24-10-2021, 09:09 AM
Svaroga Svaroga is offline
Seeker
Join Date: Sep 2021
Location: Washington
Posts: 34
 
Question about Yahwism to people of Abrahamic faiths.

Background for those who don't know: So prior to Judaism and Samaritanism there was likely an earlier religion labeled by today as Yahwists, people who worshipped Yahweh but other deities too who gradually became monotheistic. Yahwism was at first polytheistic with Yahweh taking the place of gods like Baal and El becoming more and more Henotheistic and originally Yahweh likely had a wife; this then turned into monolatrism where there were more than one god but only one worthy of veneration. This then became groups like Judaism and Samaritanism, so then I have three questions for people who are of an Abrahamic faith.

1.Based on your religion's lens how would you interpret and understand Yahwism?

2.Based on your sect/denomination's lens how would you interpret and understand Yahwism?

3.Based on your own personal interpretations(personally as opposed to set of beliefs) how would you interpret Yahwism?
Reply With Quote
  #2  
Old 28-10-2021, 11:26 AM
BigJohn BigJohn is offline
Master
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: अनुगृहितोऽस्म
Posts: 13,653
  BigJohn's Avatar
1. Yahweh is a Monotheistic God as opposed to the more progress God, Elohim.

2. I have no sect/denomination so my answer is still the same as #1.

3. Same as #1.
__________________


 
       ⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜

      Happiness is the result of an enlightened mind
     whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind.

     ⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜


Reply With Quote
  #3  
Old 20-11-2021, 06:31 AM
The Anointed The Anointed is offline
Suspended
Experiencer
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 474
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Svaroga
Based on your own personal interpretations(personally as opposed to set of beliefs) how would you interpret Yahwism?

Where is the first recorded use of the term JHWH to be found?
Reply With Quote
  #4  
Old 20-11-2021, 06:37 AM
BigJohn BigJohn is offline
Master
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: अनुगृहितोऽस्म
Posts: 13,653
  BigJohn's Avatar
      
Genesis 2:4
__________________


 
       ⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜

      Happiness is the result of an enlightened mind
     whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind.

     ⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜


Reply With Quote
  #5  
Old 20-11-2021, 11:39 PM
The Anointed The Anointed is offline
Suspended
Experiencer
Join Date: Aug 2021
Posts: 474
 
Quote:
Originally Posted by BigJohn
Genesis 2:4

Hebrew bible Genesis 2: 4; in English; ד אֵלֶּה תוֹלְדוֹת הַשָּׁמַיִם וְהָאָרֶץ, בְּהִבָּרְאָם: בְּיוֹם, עֲשׂוֹת יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים--אֶרֶץ וְשָׁמָיִם. These are the generations of the heaven and of the earth when they were created, in the day that the LORD God made earth and heaven.

KJV Genesis 2: 4; These (The six creative days) are the generations of the heavens and of the earth (The UNIVERSE) when 'THEY' (The Generations of the Universe) were created, in the day that the LORD God made the earth and the heavens, etc.

The great day in which God created the six generations of the universe, is the eighth eternal Cosmic Day, referred to by Enoch, which day has neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for in that day all time is stuck together in one aeon, etc.

Enoch wrote that God created an ‘EIGHTH’ day also, so that it should be the first after his works, and it is a day eternal with neither hours, days, weeks, months or years, for all time is stuck together in one aeon, etc, etc, the ‘Great Day’ in which the six generations of the universe are eternally repeated, is the eternal cosmic period, or the eighth eternal day in which those who attain to perfection, are allowed to enter, where they shall be surrounded by great light and they shall experience eternal peace, while those 'SOULS' who do not attain to perfection are cast back into the refining fires of the seven physical cycles of endless rebirths that perpetually revolve within the eighth eternal cosmic cycle.

The gestation period of God's heavenly Sons, is six (creative) days. It takes six generations of the universe before the 'SON OF MAN' the only begotten son of God, is born from the body of EVE=Mankind.

A series of worlds following one upon the other-- each world rising a step higher than the previous world, so that every later world brings to ripeness the seeds that were imbedded in the former, and itself then prepares the seed for the universe that will follow it.

Svaroga wrote; "So prior to Judaism and Samaritanism there was likely an earlier religion labeled by today as Yahwists, people who worshipped Yahweh."

My question; "Where is the first recorded use of the term JHWH to be found?" was to Svaroga, who believes that even before Moses wrote the book of Genesis, there were others who worshiped Yahweh.

PBU YOU John.
Reply With Quote
  #6  
Old 23-11-2021, 02:56 AM
BigJohn BigJohn is offline
Master
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: अनुगृहितोऽस्म
Posts: 13,653
  BigJohn's Avatar
Some suspect the first Creation account was written by people who believed in Elohim. From Genesis 1:1 to Genesis 2:3, the word אֱלֹהִ֑ים which is transliterated as Elohim and translated typically as God, is used in the Hebrew Bible in every verse of this Creation account except verses 13, 15, 19, 23 and 30 in the first Chapter. In Chapter 2, the only exceptions up to verse 4 is the first verse. In Genesis 2:4, the Hebrew word is introduced which gets transliterated typically as Yahweh. Some renders the expression as Jehovah, YHWH, JHWH and LORD.

The scriptures from Genesis 2:4 to the end of Genesis Chapter 3 appear to some people as transitory expressions to smooth out the the Elohist account (ones writing about Elohim) from the Yahwist account (ones writing about Yahweh). In these scriptures, the expression יְהוָ֥ה אֱלֹהִ֖ים is used which is transliterated as Yahweh Elohim and is typically translated as LORD God, Yahweh God and Jehovah God.

In Chapter 4, the expression for Yahweh, Jehovah or LORD is used singularly.
__________________


 
       ⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜

      Happiness is the result of an enlightened mind
     whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind.

     ⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜


Reply With Quote
  #7  
Old 23-11-2021, 05:27 AM
BigJohn BigJohn is offline
Master
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: अनुगृहितोऽस्म
Posts: 13,653
  BigJohn's Avatar
The Anointed,
if you look at the first part of the Hebrew expression you presented, it looks like this: יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים--אֶרֶץ וְשָׁמָיִם

If you enhance that expression, you get יְהוָה אֱלֹהִים--אֶרֶץ וְשָׁמָיִם. If you look, you will see the Hebrew word יְהוָה that is transliterated as Yahweh and is generally translated as LORD and in some cases Yahweh or Jehovah. The word is also expressed sometimes as YHWH or JHWH.
__________________


 
       ⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜

      Happiness is the result of an enlightened mind
     whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind.

     ⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜



Last edited by BigJohn : 23-11-2021 at 06:03 PM.
Reply With Quote
  #8  
Old 23-11-2021, 06:09 PM
BigJohn BigJohn is offline
Master
Join Date: Sep 2018
Location: अनुगृहितोऽस्म
Posts: 13,653
  BigJohn's Avatar
A person generally does not see these anamolities in English but when you look at it in Hebrew, at least to me, they stand out. To me, there appears to be two distinct Creation acounts: one for the Elohist and one for the Yahwist. Inbetween these 2 acounts there are transisitionary word which use such expressions as Elohim Yahweh and/or Yahweh Elohim (in English: God LORD and/or LORD God. These expressions seem to 'stich' together the two account.
__________________


 
       ⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜

      Happiness is the result of an enlightened mind
     whereas suffering is caused by a distorted mind.

     ⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜⁜


Reply With Quote
Reply


Thread Tools
Display Modes

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

vB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Forum Jump


All times are GMT. The time now is 02:19 AM.


Powered by vBulletin
Copyright ©2000 - 2021, Jelsoft Enterprises Ltd.
(c) Spiritual Forums