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Old 02-02-2020, 11:14 PM
Yunoschut Yunoschut is offline
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Are there any spiritual consequences of suicide?

If there are any, what are the reasons? I think that there is none, but seeing the grief of our loved ones could be pretty heavy on emotions.
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Old 02-02-2020, 11:35 PM
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It does seem to deny one's own soul.
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Old 02-02-2020, 11:57 PM
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If there are any, what are the reasons?

No consequences. No reasons for consequences.


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I think that there is none, but seeing the grief of our loved ones could be pretty heavy on emotions.

Either way you'll be dead so its not something dead people worry about or deal with. You can die today or in many years, eventually people will grieve for your death whether you die naturally or do it yourself.
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Old 03-02-2020, 01:46 AM
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Either way you'll be dead so its not something dead people worry about or deal with.

The physical body may have died, but can we really say that someone who has committed suicide does not have to consider the consequences in an after-death state? We simply do not know.

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You can die today or in many years, eventually people will grieve for your death whether you die naturally or do it yourself.

The process of grief for someone who dies of natural causes may be very different to the grief for someone who has committed suicide.

All my immediate family members have died of natural causes, and I have felt little grief, just gratitude that their passings were relatively quick.

Suicide, however, is usually sudden and unexpected, and it often leaves many unanswered questions. Those left behind may have had no warning and no time to prepare themselves mentally or emotionally. Except in cases such as euthanasia, there is often the sense of a promising life cut short. And those grieving may be filled with guilt or shock or remorse for not having done something different to prevent it happening, and this guilt/shock/remorse adds to the burden of their grief. And at some level, those grieving a suicide may feel anger that the person has done such an act, leaving others to clear up the mess. This all makes grief for a suicide quite different to grief for a death from natural causes.

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Old 03-02-2020, 02:15 AM
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The physical body may have died, but can we really say that someone who has committed suicide does not have to consider the consequences in an after-death state? We simply do not know.


Well that's the key. You don't know. I don't worry about consequences of death from the unknowable. It would appear silly to me.

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The process of grief for someone who dies of natural causes may be very different to the grief for someone who has committed suicide.

All my immediate family members have died of natural causes, and I have felt little grief, just gratitude that their passings were relatively quick.

Suicide, however, is usually sudden and unexpected, and it often leaves many unanswered questions. Those left behind may have had no warning and no time to prepare themselves mentally or emotionally. Except in cases such as euthanasia, there is often the sense of a promising life cut short. And those grieving may be filled with guilt or shock or remorse for not having done something different to prevent it happening, and this guilt/shock/remorse adds to the burden of their grief. And at some level, those grieving a suicide may feel anger that the person has done such an act, leaving others to clear up the mess. This all makes grief for a suicide quite different to grief for a death from natural causes.

Peace

I'm sure many will react in such ways. Anyways my point of view on topics such as suicide and death are likely to appear very controversial to others. So i tread carefully. Its a topic of interest for me especially listening to the view points of others in regard to their thoughts and personal experience. So in that i have to be cautious as to how to reply or whether to reply or not. But i understand where you're coming from. I see things differently though.
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Old 03-02-2020, 03:13 AM
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The process of grief for someone who dies of natural causes may be very different to the grief for someone who has committed suicide.

All my immediate family members have died of natural causes, and I have felt little grief, just gratitude that their passings were relatively quick.

Suicide, however, is usually sudden and unexpected, and it often leaves many unanswered questions. Those left behind may have had no warning and no time to prepare themselves mentally or emotionally. Except in cases such as euthanasia, there is often the sense of a promising life cut short. And those grieving may be filled with guilt or shock or remorse for not having done something different to prevent it happening, and this guilt/shock/remorse adds to the burden of their grief. And at some level, those grieving a suicide may feel anger that the person has done such an act, leaving others to clear up the mess. This all makes grief for a suicide quite different to grief for a death from natural causes.

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If you want to refer to it as suicide..ok, yes it is sudden but so is an out of body experience. But that does not cause grief. Grief is a false concept. and grief is caused by unseen dark entities that are connected to an Earthling before & after the liberation from the flesh. Believe it or not.

And these dark ones will continue to use their powers of the mind, to create & cause the emotions of grief and or anger from a minute manner or to a completely debilitating manner of state of mind within us, Even after the liberation from flesh.

If one has not seen the untold numbers of nasty minded beings that surround & influence the mind & body of an Earthling. Then it can be completely impossible to fathom...I continuously experience it myself, and witnessed it in others.

The instant disconnection from the flesh causes zero grief. The person simply moves away from the flesh.
And just because they were lets say, hit by a speeding train, it does not mean that, that event would cause any more grief than simply passing due to natural causes. The spiritual body of a person hit by a speeding train would remember none of the impact, because the ability to process information in such an event, because such an event happens so very quickly, and the self is instantly disconnected from the flesh.

However a person who is conscious & passes slowly will have more ability to store memories of their disconnection. But in a few moments after their disconnection, they will soon realize that they are now free of the constraints & harshness of the Earth life. And will start to cheer.

A person who does not realize that they are now free & abundant in life. Well that person is being discretely deceived into feeling grief or anxiousness by dark minded nasty spiritual beings.
And the only way to dislodge these nasty ones, is to seek help from very capable radiant persons, within the lesser Heavens of love & light. Such persons are well versed with these issues.
And in the instant that these beings are dislodged from the self, well the Soul'self can become so very youthful & radiant in accordance to the quality of one's Soul'self.
The more pure loving a person becomes, then the more youthful, radiant & abundant one becomes.

To refer to the liberation from the flesh as "death" well then death is our friend, no matter how it comes about. However. what is not our friend, are the dark evil minded ones that discretely connect to us & cause grief, anxieties, anger etc within us before & or after our liberation from the flesh.

As per usual, all of the above is simply for anyones considerations.
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Old 03-02-2020, 06:18 PM
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If you want to refer to it as suicide..ok, yes it is sudden but so is an out of body experience. But that does not cause grief. Grief is a false concept. and grief is caused by unseen dark entities that are connected to an Earthling before & after the liberation from the flesh. Believe it or not.

And these dark ones will continue to use their powers of the mind, to create & cause the emotions of grief and or anger from a minute manner or to a completely debilitating manner of state of mind within us, Even after the liberation from flesh.

The discussion was about the grief felt by those left behind, not the person who has left the body.

I find your claims somewhat unconvincing.

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Old 03-02-2020, 07:01 PM
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I think it may just entirely depend upon yourself and what you want in life. If we kill ourselves while still having specific goals that couldn’t be achieved, than we may be disappointed in ourselves. But someone in old age suffering from a lot of physical pain deciding to end it could be a different story and be ready to leave and satisfied already with what has been achieved.
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Old 04-02-2020, 02:10 AM
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The discussion was about the grief felt by those left behind, not the person who has left the body.
I find your claims somewhat unconvincing.
The opening post is about grief, that the person may experience after being liberated from the flesh. And my post is in accord with the opening post.

Quote from the OP.....Are there any spiritual consequences of suicide?
If there are any, what are the reasons? I think that there is none, but seeing the grief of our loved ones could be pretty heavy on emotions....unquote.

And my post in response to yours is quite relevant to your post. Especially in your first paragraph.

And if you are ever able to knowingly experience what I have. You would then not refer to my experiences as unconvincing, and simply dismiss them.
Maybe if you thought outside the spiritual box, you may come to a different understanding of spiritual life in regards to yourself & what you can not see in & arround yourself, in regards to what i speak about in all of my posts.

If you simply disregard the accounts of the experiences of others, without being inquisitive, maybe you will be missing out on some very sound information, that will definitely be of assistance to yourself after you are liberated from the flesh.

My experiences with the evil ones, have allowed me to see what others can not see in scripture. And i continually suggest this on this forum. However it always falls on deaf ears...oh well not to worry.
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Old 03-02-2020, 07:06 PM
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No consequences. No reasons for consequences.

Either way you'll be dead so its not something dead people worry about or deal with. You can die today or in many years, eventually people will grieve for your death whether you die naturally or do it yourself.

ocean breeze,

Yes and no. The character of the grief that your loved ones experience would be much different.....die of old age we understand....die of suicide those left behind often experience guilt. So, IMO, the consequences of suicide are much greater and far reaching. It sort of goes back to a thread where we were discussing karma. I spoke of the possibility of collateral damage. I would suggest that suicide has much more collateral damage than natural death.
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