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Old 02-08-2021, 03:33 PM
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That's not what physics says. There is no theory of luminiferous aether however there is Special Relativity and it doesn't require a medium.

This is way above my pay grade and yours too and until a viable theory with predictions backed up by experiment and observation is put forward the luminiferous aether is no more plausible than fairy dust. Every attempt to test and measure it have failed....
Ummmm it appears we have a case of throwing the dart then drawing the circle. You do realize that in this existence you can come up with a theory as to why something happened and it make perfect sense and pan out and then you can even predict future events based off of this theory and them pan out exactly like you said

and yet that not be the fundamental reason why it happened. Because in this life there can be more than one explanation for why things happened

and science has done a really good job at training people into thinking that there is a explanation and that explanation is fundamentally the only real explanation when that is just a neurotic approach to reality

There are two main theories one is atomism the other is The ether even Nikola Tesla talks about The ether.

keep in mind you're so confident about a perspective that has never been proven. No one is laid eyes on an "atom" or even a "photon" and the majority of experiments done are stretched to say the least
Like the double slit experiment which is a far cry from what I would call a real test . But its all **** in the wind and we will just have to agree to disagree and that's totally fine.

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Old 03-08-2021, 12:47 PM
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John Bell was another famous quantum mechanics guru.

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Aspects' experiments seem to mean one of these has to go, but Bell, surprisingly favored going to the pre-einstein views of Larmor, Poincare, Fitzgerald, and Lorentz - that LR is not inconsistent with relativity theory. The idea that there is an aether, and Fitzgerald contractions and Larmor dilations are not detected because the experimental devices are affected by them in exactly the right amount to null the result of the detection is a "perfectly coherent point of view."
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John Bell: The Belfast scientist who proved Einstein wrong
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-northern-ireland-29904682
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Old 03-08-2021, 01:10 PM
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Relativistic temper tantrum thrown here
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/gsjo...t9406-s10.html
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Old 22-09-2021, 12:50 AM
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The motion of the earth relative to the cosmic microwave background radiation (CMBR) is in a different direction compared to the motion of earth relative to the aether that was determined by Dayton C. Miller, so obviously, our so called big bang universe is moving relative to the aether.

Its believed by some cosmologists that there is an event horizon around our "universe" (everything that came from the big bang that made our universe). I remember an astronomy professor that taught one class I had back in the 1980's showed us how to caculate the Schwarzschild radius of our universe (the point where the escape velocity equals the speed of light) and concluded that there was an event horizon around our universe. Black holes have event horizons. Some believe there is nothing outside the event horizon of our universe based on anthropic principles, ie. they think nothing can be detected outside of this event horizon.

If there was an end to space then that would mean you could measure a velocity relative to a point in space (at the end of space) and this would be inconsistant with Newtonian and Galilean physics, therefore space must be infinite. The aether is probably also infinite and fills space everywhere. Time must also be infinite, ie. eternal. How can something come from nothing?

If everything is infinite and eternal, why hasn't there been a "universal" heat death? Think of the total collection of processes in all of existance represented by a single collective Carnot cycle, with a high temperature heat reservour and a low temperature heat reservoir with heat moving from the high to low temperature heat reservour and part of it being redirected to useful work. If both the high and low temperature reservours were infinite then heat can move from the high T to low T reservours and entropy can increase forever and there never would be a heat death of all of existance.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carnot_cycle

If everything is infinite and eternal then space and aether preceded God if God exists. Therefore God didn't make everything.

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Old 23-09-2021, 01:41 AM
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If everything is infinite and eternal then space and aether preceded God if God exists. Therefore God didn't make everything.

like duh. now all ya gotta do is theorize into god having a mother and who she was and why god was pretty much forced into the position he is in to understand a little bit more...
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Old 26-09-2021, 10:38 PM
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The source of high energy cosmic rays has always been a mystery. Some cosmic rays have energies of about 10^16 electron volts or more which is a lot higher than what you get from known nuclear reactions. Various types of naturally occuring acceleration systems have been theorized for generating high energy cosmic rays.
See https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ultra-...rgy_cosmic_ray

One time I thought of the possibility of subatomic particles from outside the event horizon of our universe falling into our universe and being accelerated by the gravitational field of our universe which would generate the high kinetic energy. I tried calculating this energy for a proton using the equation here
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gravitational_energy
with m = mass of a proton and M = mass of our universe and found that if a proton fell from a distance of about 25 times the Schwarzschild radius of our universe the proton would have about 10^16 electron volts of energy. Where did the subatomic particles from outside our universe come from? Maybe they were there before our big bang universe was created. Maybe there are an infinite number of big bang universes as well as ours in the same three dimensional space.

Reg Cahill is a skeptic of Einsteinian relativity and claims that gas filled Michelson interferometers (such as in the Michelson Morley experiment) give a partial result and vacuum interferometers give a complete null result.
Starting at about 15:00 in this video he expains this:
Reg Cahill - Review of Experiments Contradicting Special Relativity
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T07j1PVe16s

He doesn't believe an aether exists and thinks there is some kind of absolute frame of reference. I believe the aether exists and the aether has a kind of frame of reference which isn't an absolute frame of reference, ie. a velocity relative to the aether isn't the same thing as a velocity relative to a point in space.

The biggest brain fart in the history of science
https://www.tapatalk.com/groups/gsjo...nce-t8500.html

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Old 27-09-2021, 02:20 AM
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Many beers ago, I pondered the significance of spiritualism, more specifically, I thought to someone who believes in spirits, the afterlife, whatever, the concept of an incarnate spirit, ie. spirit in a physical body gives our life here some sort of transcendence. Atheists, on the other hand, think the mind and conciousness comes from the brain and after death your mind and conciousness is gone forever. If spirit has some sort of special state or status separate from physical matter, then maybe spirit is unique relative to physical matter. After reading about the aether theories, I thought there might be a spirit aether. Maybe God is the spirit aether. Later, I thought that maybe spirits and the spirit world are made from the same aether that physical matter is made from. In this case, it seems similar to the aethiest's concept of the mind and conciousness. Maybe, there are spirit based subatomic particles similar to neutrinos, for example. If this was true then spirits can be created and destroyed like physical matter. Is eternal life possible in the spirit world?
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Old 08-11-2021, 12:51 PM
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Analogy between elastic and electric systems
Rune Olsson, Markus Båth
Physics of the Earth and Planetary Interiors
Volume 10, Issue 1, May 1975, Pages 1–11
http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/0031-9201(75)90016-3

https://od.lk/s/OV8xOTA0MTE1NzNf/olsson1975.pdf
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Old 14-12-2021, 01:20 PM
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Possible explanation for electricity and magnetism?

Bjerknes's Experiments
https://chestofbooks.com/crafts/scie...periments.html
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Old 24-12-2021, 05:26 AM
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Physics Lies: The Michelson Morley Experiment Disproves Ether
My name is Ray Fleming and I have been conducting research in quantum field theory for 30 years. When people say the Michelson-Morley experiment disproves ether they are lying because the quantum field exists and is the modern form of ether and meets the standard of being called the luminiferous ether.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GISOmVrm_R8
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