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Old 22-09-2022, 03:54 AM
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Can you reside in non-duality and duality at the same time?

Ok so please forgive me if this doesn't make sense or is not the most eloquent post as I am new to non-duality, but here it goes:

Is it possible to engage in duality (generally worldly affairs and stuff of the ego) and at the same time be as firmly planted as possible as a human in non-duality? And reap the benefits of the non-dual orientation, such as peace and I guess manifestation?

Thanks in advance for your help
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Old 22-09-2022, 04:54 PM
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Yes in Vedanta philosophy it is known as 'jīvanmukta' - liberation while living. Being fully aware of the non duality while living in duality.

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Old 22-09-2022, 06:03 PM
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Yes, the Self-realised jivanmukta rests in the non-duality of formless Being while engaged with the apparent duality of form.

As long as we inhabit the physical body in the worlds of form we have no choice except to engage with duality and limitation. But even while engaged in mundane activities our direct perception is that there is limitless unchanging formless Being pervading all form.

This perception is not an intellectual understanding, it is simply our known reality within which all experience takes place. So all movement occurs in stillness, all action occurs in inaction, the apparent ten thousand things all manifest within the One thing everywhere.

As it says in the Bhagavad Gita, the person who sees action in inaction and inaction in action is truly a sage.

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Old 22-09-2022, 08:38 PM
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I wish this was in the Hindi section.
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Old 22-09-2022, 08:49 PM
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I wish this was in the Hindi section.
Actually it makes more sense here as non-duality crosses traditions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sufism, Christian Mysticism, etc...) and there are far more non-non-dual and qualified monism Hindu traditions.

EDIT: iamthat is correct and that's what Rupert Spira labels Lucid Waking.

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Yes, the Self-realised jivanmukta rests in the non-duality of formless Being while engaged with the apparent duality of form.
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Old 22-09-2022, 09:23 PM
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EDIT: iamthat is correct and that's what Rupert Spira labels Lucid Waking.

Interesting! I have never read Rupert Spira till now but some of my friends are of the opinion that Rupert's views are quite different than the Advaita Vedanta's teachings.

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Old 22-09-2022, 10:22 PM
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Interesting! I have never read Rupert Spira till now but some of my friends are of the opinion that Rupert's views are quite different than the Advaita Vedanta's teachings.
When I first heard of Rupert I thought that might be the case too, until I listened to some of his material. https://youtu.be/YhYKqblybXs?t=125

Nondual Consciousness: A Dialogue between Rupert Spira and Swami Sarvapriyananda
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Old 23-09-2022, 12:56 AM
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When I first heard of Rupert I thought that might be the case too, until I listened to some of his material. https://youtu.be/YhYKqblybXs?t=125

Nondual Consciousness: A Dialogue between Rupert Spira and Swami Sarvapriyananda

Ah alright! I will check the youtube link, thanks for sharing!

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Old 24-09-2022, 02:15 AM
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Interesting! I have never read Rupert Spira till now but some of my friends are of the opinion that Rupert's views are quite different than the Advaita Vedanta's teachings.

Rupert came from the classical Advaita tradition to the direct path where through self inquiry alone one is able to realize their true nature as awareness. Via the direct path, duality is a non issue.

In this video Rupert speaks of how one (including himself) has great love and devotion for their previous way of understanding non-duality but that a time comes when they need something more expansive such as the direct path offers:

https://youtu.be/fRSHHQPceGU
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Old 23-09-2022, 07:53 PM
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Actually it makes more sense here as non-duality crosses traditions (Hinduism, Buddhism, Sufism, Christian Mysticism, etc...) and there are far more non-non-dual and qualified monism Hindu traditions.
You are correct. The original question is just fine here. :)
It's later when posters get into the Sanskrit words.
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