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Old 08-11-2020, 09:29 AM
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Can you tell me more about what kinnikinnik is and it's purpose? Is it only for a certain time of the years? So it can be smoked and drank as a tea? I've googled some but just curious to hear from you guys.
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Old 08-11-2020, 12:44 PM
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Kinnikinnick the word can be used in multiple ways.
It's uses vary also.

Kinnikinnick= Can be a general term for a smoking mixture.

Kinnikinnick= Referring to a plant (Bearberry) that can be smoked or made into a tea.

Chansasa is the word for what is smoked in the Lakota Sacred Calf Pipe.
Here is a nice link on Chansasa.

https://dakotaplants.wordpress.com/2018/03/25/chansasa/

Sorry for all the quotes but I think it is important to hear from
those more knowledgeable than myself.
In Native life to smoke or share in a pipe should be seen as Sacred.
A prayer and a bond and a way of honoring and connecting to all Life.


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In the past, Minnesota tribes used noncommercial tobacco for ceremonial use. Some tribes used kinnikinnick (“that which is mixed”) with red willow bark often mixed with plants such as bearberry. Others used asemaa, which is a plant in the Nicotiana rustica family. Today, Nicotiana tabacum (commercial tobacco) is used by many American Indians as a substitute for the Nicotiana rustica. —Carol Hernandez, Anishinaabe

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When Tobacco is burned, the smoke rises, which provides us a link to all the spirits beyond the sky and our Creator. Tobacco in its original form had both honor and purpose and did not contain all the chemicals that are now put into commercial tobacco. Traditional Tobacco is a Healer. It shows us Wisdom, Love, Respect, Bravery, Honesty, Humility, and Truth. When a Sacred Pipe Ceremony is conducted, we fill the pipe with Sacred Tobacco and offer it to Grandfather, the Great Spirit, then to the spirits of the East, South, West, and North, and then finally to Mother Earth. Taking part in this ceremony allows us to become centered in this life. —Kathleen Starlight Preuss, Dakota

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We also have to seek out our spiritual leaders and utilize them as much as possible to bring the teachings to our children of how tobacco ties into our seven values as Anishinaabe. The seven teachings being: Nibwaakaawin—Wisdom: To cherish knowledge is to know Wisdom; Zaagi'idiwin—Love: To know peace is to know Love; Minaadendamowin—Respect: To honor all creation is to have Respect; Aakode’ewin—Bravery: Bravery is to face the foe with integrity; Dabaadendiziwin—Humility: Humility is to know yourself as a sacred part of Creation; Debwewin—Truth: Truth is to know all of these things; Gwayakwaadiziwin— Honesty: Honesty in facing a situation is to be brave.

Our children are hungry to hear the teachings. —Gina Boudreau, Anishinaabe

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Traditional tobacco as understood and named by our people—asemaa, cansasa, kinnikinnick—will continue to be an integral component of our way of life.
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Old 08-11-2020, 03:27 PM
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Kinnikinnick the word can be used in multiple ways.
It's uses vary also.

Kinnikinnick= Can be a general term for a smoking mixture.

Kinnikinnick= Referring to a plant (Bearberry) that can be smoked or made into a tea.

Chansasa is the word for what is smoked in the Lakota Sacred Calf Pipe.
Here is a nice link on Chansasa.

https://dakotaplants.wordpress.com/2018/03/25/chansasa/

Sorry for all the quotes but I think it is important to hear from
those more knowledgeable than myself.
In Native life to smoke or share in a pipe should be seen as Sacred.
A prayer and a bond and a way of honoring and connecting to all Life.

Thank you so much for this. I'm reading the website now.
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Old 08-11-2020, 04:10 PM
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Can you tell me more about what kinnikinnik is and it's purpose? Is it only for a certain time of the years? So it can be smoked and drank as a tea? I've googled some but just curious to hear from you guys.
I never known anybody who drinks it like a tea......... generally just smoke and sometimes sprinkled around.

From what I have seen, one person uses it for this and another person uses for something slightly different. Generally used for special occasions.
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I never known anybody who drinks it like a tea......... generally just smoke and sometimes sprinkled around.

From what I have seen, one person uses it for this and another person uses for something slightly different. Generally used for special occasions.

I realize I have mentioned tea.
I want to be clear. Tea that I mentioned in post #8 I was referring to only
Mullein in a tea. I realize I was NOT specific in my post #8 and I should have been.

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Kinnikinnick when refering to only Bearberry can be used in a tea.

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Uva ursi (of the genus Arctostaphylos) is a plant species also commonly referred to as
bearberry, kinnikinnick, beargrape, rockberry, sandberry, and more.
Though uva ursi is oftentimes used interchangeably with the name bearberry,
it is actually one of several variations of bearberry.

Quote above is from link below.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/uva-u...nefits-4582831

Tea using only bearberry (Kinnikinnick) is mentioned a bit more then
half way down the page under the heading Dosage and Preparation.

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Kinnikinnick when refering to a smoking or offering mix especially when tobacco is in it
I would NOT, I repeat NOT use in a tea.
Tobacco can be toxic or poisonous if drank in a tea.

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Can drinking tobacco kill you?
Nicotine poisoning describes the symptoms of the toxic effects
of nicotine following ingestion, inhalation,
or skin contact. Nicotine poisoning can potentially be deadly,
though serious or fatal overdoses are rare.
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Old 08-11-2020, 11:02 PM
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This is great info. Appreciate it.
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Old 09-11-2020, 06:36 AM
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I realize I have mentioned tea.
I want to be clear. Tea that I mentioned in post #8 I was referring to only
Mullein in a tea. I realize I was NOT specific in my post #8 and I should have been.

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Kinnikinnick when refering to only Bearberry can be used in a tea.



Quote above is from link below.
https://www.verywellhealth.com/uva-u...nefits-4582831

Tea using only bearberry (Kinnikinnick) is mentioned a bit more then
half way down the page under the heading Dosage and Preparation.

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Kinnikinnick when refering to a smoking or offering mix especially when tobacco is in it
I would NOT, I repeat NOT use in a tea.
Tobacco can be toxic or poisonous if drank in a tea.
Thanks for the clarity.

If we ever meet up, I will let you share some of my medicine if you want and maybe even smoke a bowlful.
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Thanks for the clarity.

If we ever meet up, I will let you share some of my medicine if you want and maybe even smoke a bowlful.

I am honored BigJohn.
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I am honored BigJohn.

Actually..... I am honored.


About 20 years ago, I joined the 'Church'.

It was a new charter.
The person sponsoring the charter was the 1st member.
His wife was the 2nd member
and I was the third card carrying member.

As a 'Church member', I got enough medicine that I think I have enough for at least another 20 more years.
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Actually..... I am honored.


About 20 years ago, I joined the 'Church'.

It was a new charter.
The person sponsoring the charter was the 1st member.
His wife was the 2nd member
and I was the third card carrying member.

As a 'Church member', I got enough medicine that I think I have enough for at least another 20 more years.

I have much respect for the 'Church' and have attended many times in the past.
It is nice to see that you helped start a 'Church'.

When I first experienced NAC members they had a drum tied and
were singing and I realized right away, that these guys are intense
and I listened with amazement.

To this day I still listen to the music and instantly get transported into
a trance state and the doorway opens, similar to, if I were sitting in a Tipi meeting.

I been enjoying Louie Gonnie songs recently. He does a bit of a contemporary/studio take
on some of his NAC songs but I enjoy it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yaCb_OVg2GQ

Nice to connect with you again BigJohn
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