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Old 14-11-2020, 09:10 PM
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I agree....But I have a comment.
Remember some people's brain's
have a serotonin imbalance - women their hormones.
Once corrected, voila.

The brain is an organ---it gets out of whack and needs some help sometimes.
Exercise releases endorphins, it helps - at least temporarily.

But, I agree liver cancer, kidney failure, arteriosclerosis would be 'not being aligned' - so illness results.
(Since health is alignment.)
Could that be what you mean?
I agree with everything you said, but depression is an illness.

Neurologically, a depressed person "brain to body" connections are "slowed down". For example, let's say you're hungry, you naturally go and cook something for yourself. You just do it, you don't actually think of the gestures you'll have to perform and such.

A depressed person will want to do it, just like a non-depressed person, but the depressed person's brain is transmitting the signals to the body very slowly, and therefore the bit of light, aka trying to get up, move on, have a nice meal, takes too much time to happen, and dark thoughts get back on stage, litteraly blocking you from go and cook, because your mind went back in "dark pattern mode".

Therefore, one cannot get off their *beeeep* on their own, except extremely rare cases, maybe luck, maybe incredible will, who knows.

Antidepressants get the brain back to "normal rate mode", while benzodiazepines help keeping at bay dark thoughts. When antidepressants were "invented", doctors obviously gave those away like candy, willing to help but clearly misinformed. Then, depressive patients were able to act again, except their dark thoughts were still there ! So you can imagine what these people did... Until the whole thing was given a second thought, and add benzodiazepines to it.

All that is completely useless without the help of a psychologist/psychiatrist. The drugs fight the symptoms, but you need someone by your side, leading you to the core of what tears you apart !

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Old 15-11-2020, 12:01 AM
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I agree with everything you said, but depression is an illness.

Neurologically, a depressed person "brain to body" connections are "slowed down". For example, let's say you're hungry, you naturally go and cook something for yourself. You just do it, you don't actually think of the gestures you'll have to perform and such.

A depressed person will want to do it, just like a non-depressed person, but the depressed person's brain is transmitting the signals to the body very slowly, and therefore the bit of light, aka trying to get up, move on, have a nice meal, takes too much time to happen, and dark thoughts get back on stage, litteraly blocking you from go and cook, because your mind went back in "dark pattern mode".


Therefore, one cannot get off their *beeeep* on their own, except extremely rare cases, maybe luck, maybe incredible will, who knows.

Antidepressants get the brain back to "normal rate mode", while benzodiazepines help keeping at bay dark thoughts. When antidepressants were "invented", doctors obviously gave those away like candy, willing to help but clearly misinformed. Then, depressive patients were able to act again, except their dark thoughts were still there ! So you can imagine what these people did... Until the whole thing was given a second thought, and add benzodiazepines to it.

All that is completely useless without the help of a psychologist/psychiatrist. The drugs fight the symptoms, but you need someone by your side, leading you to the core of what tears you apart !

Be well y'all




I'm skeptical of the drug approach, though it could be one component of a more comprehensive plan. I don't think there is much evidence to show the 'chemical imbalance' existed in the first place, and individuals are certainly not diagnosed on that basis. In practice they diagnose behaviours subjectively according to DSM categories which are arbitrary and try different drugs and combinations until something seems to work. I was trained in holistic approaches which consider the whole scope of a person individually, socially and environmentally across their lifespan. There is more to a person than a brain which is affected by chemicals. Because we are very medical-brain focused in this particular historical era of this particular culture, we find people are over-diagnosed and over-prescribed in general, especially children. If initially ineffective, the typical progression is toward stronger drugs and multi-med treatments which become deleterious rather than beneficial.

The case for skepticism is widely discussed by mental health professionals and academics. Drugs seem to take the edge off in the shorter term for people experiencing severe symptoms, so that can work, but you have to find out whats going on with people and go over various treatment options with them so they can choose the road that they think would help them most.

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Old 15-11-2020, 01:17 AM
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Physical exercise is beneficial in a multitude of ways. It is a highly effective low risk approach which is almost certainly beneficial. My company is called Strength Based Training, and although we are not a mental health organisation, we take the whole person approach physical, psychological, social and environmental.


Our name 'Strength Based Training' is taken from a social work concept called the 'strength based approach'. This approach works by identifying the strengths of individuals and utilising them to bring about the kind of life they want.


I specialise in strength training which involves lifting progressively heavier barbells. The individual sets a measurable goal like they want to do a 150kg deadift in 6 months for example. We know how the body adapts to resistance and we can predict time frames which are realistic and create a training program designed to attain a specific performance target on a specified date.


The individual first sets their own realistically timed goal. This sets the conditions for self-determination. We discuss how making a committment to the goal is important for inciting higher levels of determination. We instill consistency so that people understand that they have to budget training time which works for them. When they commence their program they see how their weights increase incrementally. They see for themselves that they are on track to where they want to be, and all they have do is persist and their targets will be realised. Then the person follows through with their plan and successfully lifts the target weight they trained to achieve.


In this way, we have a highly psychological approach to strength. On a foundation of self determination, virtues such as being realistic, having commitment, determination, consistency and persistence are built. These are the psychological strengths that physical strength is build on.



Having followed the program schedule which you determined for yourself, the date arrives to attain the goal. When that weight is lifted the person sees that they can do it. This 'can do' mentality is translatable to any and all of the other life changes people wish to make.


We don't care about brain chemicals of stories. It's simple. You have to do what it takes to make it happen. After your first program you prove to yourself that you can do what it takes... and 'I can' is a very powerful thought.


Exercise naturally make people feel better because we are designed for dynamic movement. Our approach uses mind/body connection to increase individuals' body awareness and coordination. This involves focusing and being consciously aware of the muscle you are using. The first few weeks of our general physical preparation period is entirely focused on mind/muscle awareness and deliberate hard muscle contractions. Being aware of the body sensations and doing deliberate hard contractions for high repetition sets enhances neurological pathways throughout brain and body as the same pathway is fired over and over again... You get very good at firing your muscles as the electrical capacity of motor neurons escalates. IOW, the energy being transmitted around the body increases.



Well, I could go on all day... but all I'm saying is, yes, there are many ways exercise benefits mental not to mention physical health... so make a start which is easy to maintain and stick to it.

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Old 15-11-2020, 09:45 AM
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I'm skeptical of the drug approach, though it could be one component of a more comprehensive plan. I don't think there is much evidence to show the 'chemical imbalance' existed in the first place, and individuals are certainly not diagnosed on that basis. In practice they diagnose behaviours subjectively according to DSM categories which are arbitrary and try different drugs and combinations until something seems to work. I was trained in holistic approaches which consider the whole scope of a person individually, socially and environmentally across their lifespan. There is more to a person than a brain which is affected by chemicals. Because we are very medical-brain focused in this particular historical era of this particular culture, we find people are over-diagnosed and over-prescribed in general, especially children. If initially ineffective, the typical progression is toward stronger drugs and multi-med treatments which become deleterious rather than beneficial.

The case for skepticism is widely discussed by mental health professionals and academics. Drugs seem to take the edge off in the shorter term for people experiencing severe symptoms, so that can work, but you have to find out whats going on with people and go over various treatment options with them so they can choose the road that they think would help them most.
I agree with everything you said too ! I have known and been involved in the healing of a few people who were severely depressed. On those 3 people, two got on drugs. On these two, one of them got them prescribed immediately, and kept in observation in a specialized facility.

She fully recovered in a month ! A month ! This is absolutely astonishing.

The other person that got drugs but not immediately, was responsive to the antidepressant, but not the benzodiazepine. He was also in a specialized facility. Doctors did not catch that fact, but he realized he was doing more stuff. As you can imagine, that case was a massive disaster.

He never recovered.

Third person, no meds, and only me for support, every day, every night. Just talking from time to time, and a ton of patience.

She recovered.

To sum it up, yes, meds are given away like candy by some doctors, some others will refuse to give some even after exploring every other possibility. And of course people are not just brains !

Be well

Munesh Sanja : I am very sorry for the off-topic.

My advice for excercise would simply be to go for what you feel you want to do, be it running, push ups, whatever it is. Another thing that can help is strict daily routine.
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Old 18-11-2020, 07:16 PM
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I got a blood test from a medical doctor who also specialises in naturopathy.

My body needs help to make and release the right amount of serotonin and dopamine. This was indicated by my blood test results

I take sAME every day, it is an amino acid which helps the body to correct this imbalance. It is made up by a compounding chemist.

Excercise helps, in conjuction with a healthy lifestyle and therapy as well as empowering myself as much as possible in my day to day life even if just in tiny ways.
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