Resurrected Sri Yukteswar Describes Afterlife

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by hazada guess

Actually Still Waters,I can see the point of that, to dismiss any thought's that will hamper your ongoing journey so as not to interfere in the process.

[Still_Waters]

"The physical karma or desires of man must be completely worked out before his permanent stay in astral worlds becomes possible."

"Beings with unredeemed earthly karma are not permitted after astral death to go to the high causal sphere of cosmic ideas, but must shuttle to and fro from the physical and astral worlds only."

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I particularly liked the implications of Yukteswar's reference to "the physical karma or desires". There definitely seems to be a connection between "karma" and "desires" (at least to me).

It seems clear that attachment to physical desires will inevitably draw one back to rebirth on a plane where those physical desires can be fulfilled ... finally.

How do people here do that ... or do they ... or do they even consider it important?

Comments?

[Miss Hepburn]

Comments? Pretty simple - I agree with Sri Yukteswar. Ha, shuttle to and fro...apt.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

...I particularly liked the implications of Yukteswar's reference to "the physical karma or desires". There definitely seems to be a connection between "karma" and "desires" (at least to me). It seems clear that attachment to physical desires will inevitably draw one back to rebirth on a plane where those physical desires can be fulfilled ... finally.

Here we have the idea of kama-manas:

"kama manas (Sanskrit: from kāma, "desire" + manas, "mind"). The lower part of manas in conjunction with kāma is attracted below to material things, ... If, the kama-manas is insufficiently illuminated to withstand successfully the attractions of the lower astral and material realms of feeling and thought, it is attracted downwards and becomes enchained in these lower realms." (from Veda Wiki)

The problem for us humans is that if we take rebirth to fulfil these physical desires then we might generate even more physical desires. Any satisfaction of physical desires is only temporary, leaving us wanting more.

As Still_Waters says "It seems clear that attachment to physical desires will inevitably draw one back to rebirth." So maybe the key to liberation is not in trying to fulfil all our desires but in finally releasing our attachment to such desires.

Or another way to consider it is that we are transmuting material desire to spiritual aspiration.

Peace

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Comments? Pretty simple - I agree with Sri Yukteswar. Ha, shuttle to and fro...apt.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by iamthat

If, the kama-manas is insufficiently illuminated to withstand successfully the attractions of the lower astral and material realms of feeling and thought, it is attracted downwards and becomes enchained in these lower realms.[/color]" (from Veda Wiki)
The problem for us humans is that if we take rebirth to fulfil these physical desires then we might generate even more physical desires.
maybe the key to liberation is not in trying to fulfil all our desires but in finally releasing our attachment to such desires.

Another very insightful post, as usual. You raise very good points. Due to administrative guidelines,
must be selective in limiting my quotes but here's the link to your entire post.

https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s...3&postcount=54

My understanding is also that, if we can't overcome the attractions of the lower astral and material realms, we are indeed drawn downward where we can increase the desires and become enchained to them.

You raise a good point that " maybe the key to liberation is not in trying to fulfil all our desires but in finally releasing our attachment to such desires". That release happens quite naturally when one finds something better ... like the "peace that surpasseth all understanding" in the depths of meditation. Kabbalist Rabbi Aryeh Kaplan actually wrote in his book on Jewish meditations that the depths of meditation is better than even the best sex. It's not that one is giving something up ... it's about finding something even BETTER. That's the way I approach this with others.

Excellent insightful post.

[Still_Waters]

" ...beings in the causal world have a much greater freedom, and can effortlessly manifest their thoughts into instant objectivity, without any material or astral obstruction or karmic limitation."

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This is mentioned in the Yoga Vashistha ... and ... there are beings on the earth plane who can do this NOW.

I have come to the conclusion that virtually anything is possible even on the earth plane. What are your thoughts on how such things are possible or do you even believe that such things are possible?

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by iamthat

... So maybe the key to liberation is not in trying to fulfill all our desires
but in finally releasing our attachment to such desires.

Maybe? LOL

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Maybe? LOL

I have the British tendency to understate the obvious.

Peace

[Still_Waters]

This thread has been a fun run !