Overloading maya or the physical world.

[Honza]

I have commented upon the fickleness and character of maya (the physical world) before. It is very temperamental and seems to obey it's own laws rather than any objective law. One really annoying characteristic that I find it has is its refusal to allow spiritual interference.

Often in my life I have a spiritual inspiration or insight. A beautiful feeling, or an original idea. As soon as this happens maya clamps down. It says "shan't" "won't" like a spoilt child.

Maya is particularly sensitive to spiritual hot spots. Anything spiritually hot gets censured. Don't believe me? Wait till it happens to you.

Maya is physical objective reality. It follows the laws of science/nature as we understand them. In this level of reality Spirit is subjective, else it would be able to be objectively measured and quantified by said laws of science/nature and mutually agreed upon like gravity. It's Maya's nature to veil the transcendent and mind is part and parcel of Maya.

[Honza]

Originally Posted by JustASimpleGuy

Maya is physical objective reality. It follows the laws of science/nature as we understand them. In this level of reality Spirit is subjective, else it would be able to be objectively measured and quantified by said laws of science/nature and mutually agreed upon like gravity. It's Maya's nature to veil the transcendent and mind is part and parcel of Maya.

Spoken like a true materialist. But as a spiritualist you probably know better.

Originally Posted by Honza

Spoken like a true materialist. But as a spiritualist you probably know better.

Material reality is very real on the material level. On this level of existence the level of Spirit is nonsensical in that it's incomprehensible to intellect which is a tool of and in the material level of existence.

Maya has two powers, that of projection and veiling. It projects material reality and in that reality veils the reality of Spirit, however it does have cracks. Those cracks are where insights arise.

[Honza]

You have an interesting understanding of maya!

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Honza

I have commented upon the fickleness and character of maya (the physical world) before.
....
Maya is particularly sensitive to spiritual hot spots. Anything spiritually hot gets censured.
Don't believe me? Wait till it happens to you.

I do not find this Illusion, Dream, Maya to be fickle at all,
since it is constant in it's changing or temporary nature.
Like death and taxes you can be sure of them.

Can u give us an example of Maya censoring spirituality...just wanna see what you
are referring to, personally. Thanks.

JASG:''Maya has two powers, that of projection and veiling.
It projects material reality and in that reality veils the reality of Spirit,
however it does have cracks. Those cracks are where insights arise.'' Really great.

Originally Posted by Honza

You have an interesting understanding of maya!

I bookmarked this lecture at the point of a very pertinent story. The whole lecture is worth watching but this piece drives the point home. https://youtu.be/MxUXl2YXXL4?t=102

Material reality is an appearance of and within Brahman. Being that, it can't be said to be absolutely unreal because that would negate Brahman too. It also can't be said to be absolutely real because that would limit Brahman within time, space and causality.

Is a dream real within dream reality? From the dream perspective it appears to be real but it's just not absolutely real.

[Honza]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Can u give us an example of Maya censoring spirituality...just wanna see what you are referring to, personally. Thanks.

There are so many instances of this that it is difficult to find a pertinent example.

Computers seem particularly susceptible to maya's attacks. If I am experiencing any spiritual high (of an unfettered nature) then my computer usually responds by throwing up faults, glitches, bugs etc. Anything to bring that high down.

Another example is the fate of spiritually hot celebrities. Like JFK or Princess Diana or Gandhi or Jim Morrison. They all died unexpected deaths. Their life was cut short.

When board gaming and throwing the dice to get the right result to help you along; you would be amazed how the dice behave to prevent *that* great shot or manoeuvre. The dice fairly consistently do what you do not want them to do. In this case maya plays havoc with your intentions, wants and desires.

The list can go on but it is difficult to recall and word the examples correctly....

[Honza]

In all cases of this censorship of spirituality maya plays the game subtly. It is not overt or obvious in any way. Covert, hidden, subversive is the name of the game. Nothing one can actually prove!

Originally Posted by Honza

In all cases of this censorship of spirituality maya plays the game subtly. It is not overt or obvious in any way. Covert, hidden, subversive is the name of the game. Nothing one can actually prove!

Life upchucks as often for the Enlightened as the unenlightened. The difference is how the upchucks are viewed and handled.

For the Enlightened it's of no concern as it's just a feature of Maya and that's only apparent reality. It's like watching a movie. For the unenlightened it's as real as it gets and so is the attendant suffering.