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Old 24-08-2020, 06:19 AM
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Reactions To Death:

There is a big difference between our philosophy about death and the actual experience of dying. We might also react differently to the death of someone else, especially a loved one, than we would react to the experience of our own death. I have seen hundreds of people die, as a combat medic in war, and ambulance paramedic in major cities, and having worked in hospitals and hospices.

Death looks different in a war where people are shooting and killing each other, etc., than it does people dying in a hospital, or people dying on the streets, in a car accident, etc. Nonetheless, death does the same thing regardless where we die. Regardless of our age, we are all always one breath away from death. The only thing is how and when, which is mostly out of our control.

How and when has different impacts on the people we leave behind, and may even have a different impact on us when we die. When: the death of a baby has more of and impact than the death of and older person; primarily because we may think of that baby’s innocence and them dying so young. In the Vietnam War I carried a dead baby in my arms and it had a more powerful effect on me than seeing my buddies die. Hard to explain, except to say that baby left behind a more powerful presence.

How: there are basically two methods by which a person dies; terminal death and sudden death. Terminal death, this is when death lingers for days, weeks, or months, and it comes from and illness or injury. COVID-19 involves terminal death, as does cancer, etc. A person can be in a coma for weeks or months and then die. It is one thing for you to accept your own death and another thing for your loved ones to accept your death. Terminal death draws out the process of dying.

Sudden death can occur in many ways, and may involve the person having a few minutes or hours before dying, or they may instantly die without warning. A person can suddenly die in their sleep, and accident, advanced undetected disease, like a heart attack, suicide, or homicide. I have seen all of these and they effect surviving loved ones differently. Usually a person has no time to think about their own death when it comes suddenly. They are here and then they are gone. A person falling off of a cliff or being stabbed will scream; are they screaming because of the pain or because they are about to die?

Medical science has determined that there are two types of death, brain death and clinical death. Usually in brain death, a person is in a coma and they are kept alive by machines. Your doctor or hospital may have something called and “Advance Directive,” it used to be called “A Living Will,” and it states, among other things, whether or not you wish to be kept alive by artificial means, machines, etc. If you do not have such a document on file, and you are in a coma, then loved ones, or the courts, will make that decision for you.

Clinical death is when your heart stops beating. Truly death is nothing more than the death of the physical body. There are also machines that can be used to keep your heart beating. But if a person has no brain activity (brain death) no heartbeat, or other vital signs, then they are declared dead. Although I have seen people declared dead, put on a slab in the morgue, and that person later woke up and was very much alive. Some people do have a fear of being buried, or cremated, alive because of a false death declaration, but in many countries most people who are declared dead receive and autopsy, and an autopsy will kill you if you are not already dead.

Death is not a morbid subject for me as I have seen so much of it. Different cultures react to death differently. Most people dwell on the afterlife, or after death experience, then they do the here and now experience of dying. Most do not consider talking about the afterlife as morbid, in fact many consider that discussion pleasing or intriguing. But what I have shared here may be considered more about the morbidly of death. Does not matter, although some do hide in their philosophies or spiritual perspectives of death; the actual experience of death will be much more than our philosophy or other perspective. Still whatever brings a person comfort in their transition should be embraced.
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Old 24-08-2020, 06:23 AM
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Dying:

It helps to be sensitive enough to feel the differences in vibrations; what does a spiritual presence feel like to you, and there is also and approaching presence we may feel when our physical body is dying. Keeping in mind that physical life is terminal and we are always experiencing the death of something or other.

Watching the death of our pets, relatives, or other loved ones, gets us in touch with our own mortality. There are many things that happen in life which can prepare us for our own physical death. My only endeavor is to die at peace with myself. No fear, anxiety, or anticipation of what is next.

Some die screaming in pain, or out of fear, while others die peacefully, letting go to a smooth transition. We return to that from which we came. What we call “death” is really not a stranger to us. It is the most natural and most common among all living things.

Billions have died before you and billions will die after you have left this physical existence. The coming and going is constant. But your death will be as unique as you are, the same may be said of your after death experience.

Every human being living on this earth is not having the same experience, why would we think that everyone after the death of their physical body will have the same experience? Nonetheless, the journey does continue, in one form, or formlessness, or another.

It is helpful to try to wake up in your dream at night while your body is sleeping. We are all trying to awaken in one way or another, and there is no end, or ultimate, to that awakened state. Wake up when your body is awake and also wake up when your body is asleep.

When death comes your body will feel so tired, like you are exhausted, and you will be unable to move it. It will be like passing out and falling asleep, but we can remain conscious even as our body sleeps. It is only the physical body that dies.

Staying awake can help you when you can no longer inhabit your physical body. Any degree of awakening will change your vibration. The more light we gather to ourselves the greater we can see; divine light is awareness accompanied with unconditional love. That light is within you.

Grow that divinity which is within us, we all have it, and it is as simple as giving it our attention. What we give our attention to will grow. That divine spark, which is the likeness of God, is within us; it came with us when we entered this physical world, and will leave with us when we go.

Give your undivided attention to the silent presence of formlessness that is within you; it may reveal the presence of incredible light that is within you, and that light feels like overwhelming love. It can guide you through your life here on Earth, and also guide you when you leave and go beyond this Earth.

Peace and Good Journey
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Old 28-09-2020, 09:09 AM
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I am not afraid of the death of the soul, because I know that this is not the end, but feeling pain and fear immediately before this is my phobia.
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Old 01-10-2020, 01:10 PM
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Dying:

It helps to be sensitive enough to feel the differences in vibrations; what does a spiritual presence feel like to you, and there is also and approaching presence we may feel when our physical body is dying. Keeping in mind that physical life is terminal and we are always experiencing the death of something or other.

Watching the death of our pets, relatives, or other loved ones, gets us in touch with our own mortality. There are many things that happen in life which can prepare us for our own physical death. My only endeavor is to die at peace with myself. No fear, anxiety, or anticipation of what is next.

Some die screaming in pain, or out of fear, while others die peacefully, letting go to a smooth transition. We return to that from which we came. What we call “death” is really not a stranger to us. It is the most natural and most common among all living things.

Billions have died before you and billions will die after you have left this physical existence. The coming and going is constant. But your death will be as unique as you are, the same may be said of your after death experience.

Every human being living on this earth is not having the same experience, why would we think that everyone after the death of their physical body will have the same experience? Nonetheless, the journey does continue, in one form, or formlessness, or another.

It is helpful to try to wake up in your dream at night while your body is sleeping. We are all trying to awaken in one way or another, and there is no end, or ultimate, to that awakened state. Wake up when your body is awake and also wake up when your body is asleep.

When death comes your body will feel so tired, like you are exhausted, and you will be unable to move it. It will be like passing out and falling asleep, but we can remain conscious even as our body sleeps. It is only the physical body that dies.

Staying awake can help you when you can no longer inhabit your physical body. Any degree of awakening will change your vibration. The more light we gather to ourselves the greater we can see; divine light is awareness accompanied with unconditional love. That light is within you.

Grow that divinity which is within us, we all have it, and it is as simple as giving it our attention. What we give our attention to will grow. That divine spark, which is the likeness of God, is within us; it came with us when we entered this physical world, and will leave with us when we go.

Give your undivided attention to the silent presence of formlessness that is within you; it may reveal the presence of incredible light that is within you, and that light feels like overwhelming love. It can guide you through your life here on Earth, and also guide you when you leave and go beyond this Earth.

Peace and Good Journey

Very interesting points.

I agree with what you wrote.
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Old 27-10-2020, 03:02 PM
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I have seen 2 people close to me just before they died.

For one I was probably the last thing she saw if she was sentient at all. Her tongue was out and there was just horror in her eyes, just completely animalistic instinctual wish to stay alive.

Second was bit longer he was slowly loosing it over night, i watched carefully in his eyes, it was like he was looking at something in the distance and would snap out of it when he saw i was observing, then went back into it again. He knew he was dying and was of course scared. By morning he was gone.

Matter just changes form and I have no proof that we are something more and that our living experience isn't redundant and there is a "soul". There is more because everything is infinite, however our mind cant process it, but does this insignificant moment in infinity we call living stay "remembered" somewhere, somehow in it all, i don't know. It really does not matter, we are all going to die so don't worry about it. lol
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Old 27-10-2020, 04:59 PM
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Starman: Do you ever give talks in person, out of interest?
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Old 27-10-2020, 09:15 PM
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I have to Agree with you Starman. I have looked after people all my life working in care Homes etc,
And taking time out to look after friends on their Final journey.
Death is just a part of life .


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Old 27-10-2020, 09:24 PM
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Wow, Starman....some good words.
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Old 28-10-2020, 12:22 PM
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I have to Agree with you Starman. I have looked after people all my life working in care Homes etc,
And taking time out to look after friends on their Final journey.
Death is just a part of life .


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My step-brother, when he was a youth, used to work for the undertaker. The undertaker also had an ambulance which my step brother would drive, etc. One day, when he was about 19 years old, he went and picked up a body from a car accident. After picking up the body, he had to go and pick up the head. That event, never seemed to have bothered him.
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I can understand that because if you got upset over the Bodies you pick up. you would not be able to do your job


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