GOSPEL OF THOMAS (new translation)

[BigJohn]

                           Verse 55


                                     Jesus said,


      “Whoever does not hate his father and his mother
                  cannot become a student of mine.

     “And whoever does not hate his brothers and sisters
      and bear his cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

                           Verse 55


                                     Jesus said,


      “Whoever does not hate his father and his mother
                  cannot become a student of mine.

     “And whoever does not hate his brothers and sisters
      and bear his cross as I do, will not be worthy of me."

Do you think that the word translated as "hate" was accurately translated?

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

Do you think that the word translated as "hate" was accurately translated?

i hope so. i follow this teaching of jesus!

[Molearner]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

Do you think that the word translated as "hate" was accurately translated?

Disavow works better for me.......

who ever wrote that did not like his family

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

Do you think that the word translated as "hate" was accurately translated?

http://gospel-thomas.net/gtbypage_112702.pdf

(For whatever reason when copying, the greek characterers are transliterated, but you can see the original if you follow the link)

42:25/355 peje.IS je peta.meste.pef.`.eiwt` 24
55.1* *Said-JS51 this: Whoever-hates-his- \ -father
42:26/356 an` mN.tef.maau f.na$.R.machths an 25
not , and-his-mother, he-can-become-disciple not
42:27/357 na.ei` auw Nf.meste.nef.`.snhu` mN. 23
55.2> to-me, > and ()()-hates-his- \-brothers and-
42:28/358 .nef.swne Nf.fei M.pef.s7os N.ta.xe 25
-his-sisters, &()-take his-cross in-my-way,
42:29/359 f.na.$wpe an ef.o N.a3ios na.ei pe- 22+2
56.1* he-will-come-to-be not ()being deserving to-me.

https://www.freelyreceive.net/metalo...lin/th055.html

55. Yeshua says: Whoever does not hate his father and his mother, shall not be able to become a Disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and his sisters, and take up his own cross in my way, shall not be made worthy of me.
55. Yeshúa dice: Quien no odia a su padre y a su madre, no podrá hacerse discípulo mío. Y quien no odia a sus hermanos y a sus hermanas, y levanta su propia cruz a mi manera, no será hecho digno de mí.

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odium n (genitive odiī or odī); second declension

hatred, ill-will, aversion, dislike, disgust, detestation, odium, loathing, enmity or their manifestation
the condition of being hated, unpopularity
(by metonymy) an object of hatred or aversion
(in weaker sense) weariness, boredom, impatience or their manifestation

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google translate (Javanese ???):
https://translate.google.cn/?hl=en&s...A&op=translate

Quien no odia a su padre y a su madre
Who does not love his father and mother

http://gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm

As they say ... "traduttore, traditore"

Symbolically, if by "Father" Jesus meant one's inner-self (as I believe he does), we can infer that Jesus meant that those who don't love (in other words: isn't in harmony with) their inner-self should follow him (Jesus) and learn (to love their inner-self, have their ego and inner-self in harmony).

That verse 55 doesn't seem to mean that only those who hate their Earthly parents are accepted by Jesus, as those translations may be interpreted to mean.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

Do you think that the word translated as "hate" was accurately translated?

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

i hope so. i follow this teaching of jesus!

It's a very big assumption to think that every word or saying attributed to Jesus in the various Bibles was remembered/transcribed Word-Perfect! However, you are certainly entitled to your belief.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

Do you think that the word translated as "hate" was accurately translated?

Originally Posted by Molearner

Disavow works better for me.......

"Disavow" is better but somehow that does not seem like the optimal word either.
EDIT: "Detach" might be an even better word, but I must think more about this.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

Do you think that the word translated as "hate" was accurately translated?

Originally Posted by AbodhiSky

who ever wrote that did not like his family

Now, you make a very good point regarding "whoever wrote that".

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by inavalan

http://gospel-thomas.net/gtbypage_112702.pdf

(For whatever reason when copying, the greek characterers are transliterated, but you can see the original if you follow the link)

42:25/355 peje.IS je peta.meste.pef.`.eiwt` 24
55.1* *Said-JS51 this: Whoever-hates-his- \ -father
42:26/356 an` mN.tef.maau f.na$.R.machths an 25
not , and-his-mother, he-can-become-disciple not
42:27/357 na.ei` auw Nf.meste.nef.`.snhu` mN. 23
55.2> to-me, > and ()()-hates-his- \-brothers and-
42:28/358 .nef.swne Nf.fei M.pef.s7os N.ta.xe 25
-his-sisters, &()-take his-cross in-my-way,
42:29/359 f.na.$wpe an ef.o N.a3ios na.ei pe- 22+2
56.1* he-will-come-to-be not ()being deserving to-me.

https://www.freelyreceive.net/metalo...lin/th055.html

55. Yeshua says: Whoever does not hate his father and his mother, shall not be able to become a Disciple to me. And whoever does not hate his brothers and his sisters, and take up his own cross in my way, shall not be made worthy of me.
55. Yeshúa dice: Quien no odia a su padre y a su madre, no podrá hacerse discípulo mío. Y quien no odia a sus hermanos y a sus hermanas, y levanta su propia cruz a mi manera, no será hecho digno de mí.

----
odium n (genitive odiī or odī); second declension

hatred, ill-will, aversion, dislike, disgust, detestation, odium, loathing, enmity or their manifestation
the condition of being hated, unpopularity
(by metonymy) an object of hatred or aversion
(in weaker sense) weariness, boredom, impatience or their manifestation

----
google translate (Javanese ???):
https://translate.google.cn/?hl=en&s...A&op=translate

Quien no odia a su padre y a su madre
Who does not love his father and mother

http://gnosis.org/naghamm/nhl_thomas.htm

As they say ... "traduttore, traditore"

Symbolically, if by "Father" Jesus meant one's inner-self (as I believe he does), we can infer that Jesus meant that those who don't love (in other words: isn't in harmony with) their inner-self should follow him (Jesus) and learn (to love their inner-self, have their ego and inner-self in harmony).

That verse 55 doesn't seem to mean that only those who hate their Earthly parents are accepted by Jesus, as those translations may be interpreted to mean.

Your scholarly approach is helpful in addressing possible translation issues, but it still does not address the issue of whether Jesus actually spoke those words or whether there was a problem with the saying that is due to a misrepresentation by the scribe who actually wrote that.