how many people believe we need Jesus to be saved?

[Morpheus]

Originally Posted by psychoslice

Yep that's it, we can only save ourselves, that is when we realize our true SELF, when we realize that were not just a mind body organism and this what all so called saviors point to. The problem is that most take what they say to mean them, the saviors themselves, when all the time they are pointing you to your SELF.

Error is evident.

It is borne out that humanity's origins are apart from time, but yet, here we are with our evolved "reptilian brain" and related Ego.

Evidence of the devil is in the daily news, concerning humanity. Every day.

So this material world, and humanity therein is a fallen one.
This also jives with Buddha's teachings, and the essential teachings of the Far East.

Is there any among us who are exempt? No. We are all in the same boat.

"But the Lord layed upon Him, the iniquity of us all". - Isaiah, I believe...
Hence, salvation, borne of the Love of God for us.

You can continue to ignore and disregard that which is evident in humanity, tip toeing though the Tulips if you like,
prostrating amongst the Peonies, but you are fooling yourself. You need to recognize the Truth.

Regarding end day prophesies? Being fulfilled before our eyes.

It's a beautiful world, isn't it! It's a shame what is taking place regarding humanity. But, it is all a known apart from time, and it has been communicated to us.

[Amilius777]

The material realm is not a fallen place. I don't know why you find the material world to be so bad Morpheus. That sounds more Far Eastern than it does Christian!

The material world is a reflection of the Spirit World and they together are one, or at least MEANT to be perceived as a unity. Of course they are distinct natures, but united as One. This unity of spirit and matter is the Mind-force- the Christ, the Word of God etc.

Yes humanity as a Whole is separated from the Oneness, but there are individuals who have Jesus Christ in their lives and have reached His Christ-consciousness that he brought into the world. There was no Son, no Christ-consciousness in the human experience until Jesus came. It was lost symbolically with our ancestors and they were meant to continue an Edenic-like world of uniting the Spiritual and Material.

Jesus reunited the Spirit World with the physical World, the Divine Nature with the human nature, the Supreme Being with the human being, the Higher Self with the lower-self. So in every sense he is the Door, the Way, the Truth, etc. When we pass through we enter the higher Divine Realms take on the mantle of the same Consciousness of Christ. We return to our native home, in the bosom of the Infinite Pure Consciousness (God). This Way was prepared by the Baptist/Elijah, embodied and given to the world by Jesus, and now followed by the mystics and saints of all religions trying to return to the Father.

Yes Honza its my comprehension that we need to believe in Jesus to know God and to be saved by God which is God, Jesus and The Holy Spirit (Jesus is God).

For instance how is Jesus up in Heaven to save each Soul if no-one believes in Him and all that He endured for us to be born, to live, to cross over?

Why else would God have asked Jesus (His only Begotten Son) to sacrifice all of the things Jesus has and undertake all of His sufferings to save the World and sinners, along with combating and beating satan in the desert for forty days and nights, performing miracles curing the sick and dying and all other Holy kindnesses for God and His Brothers and Sisters in God/Christ.

Its my feeling that you already know all of this anyway?