Robert Adams

[Tara5]

Originally Posted by God-Like

The same something in you that observes your thoughts is the same something in you that creates the thoughts .

You can't divide one from the other because there is only what you are .

Try observing your thoughts when what you are is absent from the mind-body .

You won't be able to because what you are of the mind-body is a package deal

Yes, there is only ONE, the consciousness. But consciousness creates duality coz consciousness only experience creations in nonduality..that's why it is called Leela, Maya, divine-play, a dream of the Brahman.

And, Consciousness created duality because NOTHING wants to taste SoMETHING, immaterial want to be the material...

A painter paints a painting, is Painter and painting same?

Of course, thoughts originate from the Consciousness but are the thoughts and consciousness the same?

Maybe you are right and maybe i am wrong...and, it's Okay! To each his own!

[Tara5]

Originally Posted by God-Like

Now looking through my closet for my wrestling costume

x daz x

But you already are a warrior...see, you are wearing a warbonnet of Native Americans and it's beautiful...suits you

[God-Like]

Originally Posted by Tara5

Yes, there is only ONE, the consciousness. But consciousness creates duality coz consciousness only experience creations in nonduality..that's why it is called Leela, Maya, divine-play, a dream of the Brahman.

And, Consciousness created duality because NOTHING wants to taste SoMETHING, immaterial want to be the material...

A painter paints a painting, is Painter and painting same?

Of course, thoughts originate from the Consciousness but are the thoughts and consciousness the same?

Maybe you are right and maybe i am wrong...and, it's Okay! To each his own!

If you believe in 'oneness' then the thoughts cannot be associated with anything but the 'one' .

How can the thoughts belong to something other than what you are?

How can there be truth in saying that I have nothing to do with the world or this body .

This actual statement is build upon separation and illusion ..

Can you see that?


x daz x

[Miss Hepburn]

It's so funny... you have Consciousness and then you have Awareness.
Oh boy...that has been talked about here before.
And I was impressed, Tara, you said Consciousness creates duality.
You don't hear that everyday.
Ya gotta have 'another...something' to be conscious OF! Yes.
Lol!

I have been in the Void....and OH my....there IS NO Other!
I mean when they say Nothing or Nothingness....or a Vacuum...
They aren't a' kiddin' ! There is no up, there is no down....
There is nothing but The One.....and that means you...there is
just One....only....completely....just Awareness...that's It...
and that's you. Whew.

I came outta that place understanding exactly why The Absolute One
created 'Creation' !
Why be alone? One Mind...only One...in a place of no time or space..
oh if everyone could exp this...

There is Nothing but Pure Awareness, period...black...there's no light...
and Mind...that is aware....but there's nothing.

This Awareness....just is....not too hard to talk about. Ha!

As you can see I'm like tripping over myself ...it's quite ...well, shocking,
a shocking... eye-opening experience.

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

It's so funny... you have Consciousness and then you have Awareness.
Oh boy...that has been talked about here before.
And I was impressed, Tara, you said Consciousness creates duality.
You don't hear that everyday.
Ya gotta have 'another...something' to be conscious OF! Yes.
Lol!

I have been in the Void....and OH my....there IS NO Other!
I mean when they say Nothing or Nothingness....or a Vacuum...
They aren't a' kiddin' ! There is no up, there is no down....
There is nothing but The One.....and that means you...there is
just One....only....completely....just Awareness...that's It...
and that's you. Whew.

I came outta that place understanding exactly why The Absolute One
created 'Creation' !
Why be alone? One Mind...only One...in a place of no time or space..
oh if everyone could exp this...

There is Nothing but Pure Awareness, period...black...there's no light...
and Mind...that is aware....but there's nothing.

This Awareness....just is....not too hard to talk about. Ha!

As you can see I'm like tripping over myself ...it's quite ...well, shocking,
a shocking... eye-opening experience.

***

The vibrant void of fullness
Not emptiness
Of Absoluteness
Of singular pure awareness

Breathing
Pulsating
With exalted Love of purity
Which here & now too is our divinity

***

[Miss Hepburn]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

The vibrant void of fullness
Not emptiness
Of Absoluteness
Of singular pure awareness

Breathing
Pulsating
With exalted Love of purity
Which here & now too is our divinity

Hmm...not my exp.
No breathing, no pulsating, empty so totally, not vibrant.
Yes, singular Pure Awareness...of nothing, no fullness.

We will have to disagree to disagree on this one...get it... One!

[Unseeking Seeker]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

Hmm...not my exp.
No breathing, no pulsating, empty so totally, not vibrant.
Yes, singular Pure Awareness...of nothing, no fullness.

We will have to disagree to disagree on this one...get it... One!

***

First time the void of nothingness
wherein one with the That Oneness
we are as (but not The) Absoluteness

Second time the veil lifts to reveal
The Supreme being

Thereafter the void of seeming nothingness
Is known as charged with purity of Love in fullness
Be it beyond form or within form, no coming, no going
There is yet in perfection, being, becoming & blossoming

In a flow unending

***

[Tara5]

Originally Posted by God-Like

If you believe in 'oneness' then the thoughts cannot be associated with anything but the 'one' .

How can the thoughts belong to something other than what you are?

How can there be truth in saying that I have nothing to do with the world or this body .

This actual statement is build upon separation and illusion ..

Can you see that?


x daz x

I think we are going around in circles - but going nowhere....Let's agree to disagree

[Tara5]

Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn

I have been in the Void....and OH my....there IS NO Other!
I mean when they say Nothing or Nothingness....or a Vacuum...
They aren't a' kiddin' ! There is no up, there is no down....
There is nothing but The One.....and that means you...there is
just One....only....completely....just Awareness...that's It...
and that's you. Whew.

I came outta that place understanding exactly why The Absolute One
created 'Creation' !

Oh, that reminds me of a story....

The Play of Energy

Before the Universe was created, it is believed that there was just darkness. That darkness pervaded everywhere. It was the raw energy, an energy with its own consciousness, hence, it is called the cosmic intelligence. The culture named it as ‘Shakti’. Though the Shakti was all-pervading, but it was uncontrolled. Thus, nothing formed out of it and the energy remained raw throughout.

Within that play of Shakti, a point came when there was a super-saturation of the energy leading to a massive explosion — which science identifies as the ‘Big Bang’. What happened at that time?

The Controlled Manifestations
The Yogis explained — at the very moment of the massive bang the Shakti (the single conscious energy) manifested into two. One part is the consciousness and the other is the matter. Yes, even the matter, the non-living elements, all came out from the same energy. In this way the uncontrolled Shakti manifested into different creations due to the presence of that control, which the Yogis named as ‘Shiva’. This is why, in the Indian culture, they are revered as a couple. Because, without Shakti, the control (Shiva) is of no significance; and without the Shiva the uncontrolled Shakti cannot be manifested into anything.

This could be understood with an example. Today, we see a thousand electric appliances that are useful to us. They all use the same electricity. But, is the raw electricity of any use to us? No. Only when the raw electric energy (Shakti) is controlled (Shiva), we get the amazing creations that we can use. This concept of Shiva and Shakti is applicable to every aspect of this Universe .

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Tara5

Oh, that reminds me of a story....

The Play of Energy

Before the Universe was created, it is believed that there was just darkness. That darkness pervaded everywhere. It was the raw energy, an energy with its own consciousness, hence, it is called the cosmic intelligence. The culture named it as ‘Shakti’. Though the Shakti was all-pervading, but it was uncontrolled. Thus, nothing formed out of it and the energy remained raw throughout.

Within that play of Shakti, a point came when there was a super-saturation of the energy leading to a massive explosion — which science identifies as the ‘Big Bang’. What happened at that time?

The Controlled Manifestations
The Yogis explained — at the very moment of the massive bang the Shakti (the single conscious energy) manifested into two. One part is the consciousness and the other is the matter. Yes, even the matter, the non-living elements, all came out from the same energy. In this way the uncontrolled Shakti manifested into different creations due to the presence of that control, which the Yogis named as ‘Shiva’. This is why, in the Indian culture, they are revered as a couple. Because, without Shakti, the control (Shiva) is of no significance; and without the Shiva the uncontrolled Shakti cannot be manifested into anything.

This could be understood with an example. Today, we see a thousand electric appliances that are useful to us. They all use the same electricity. But, is the raw electricity of any use to us? No. Only when the raw electric energy (Shakti) is controlled (Shiva), we get the amazing creations that we can use. This concept of Shiva and Shakti is applicable to every aspect of this Universe .

Different people use different terms to describe this. So we could say that the Absolute is beyond even Light and Dark, energy and consciousness. The Absolute manifests as Purusha (Spirit) and Mulaprakriti (primordial Matter). Spirit is considered as the Father principle (Shiva) and Matter is considered as the Mother principle (Shakti). The Father principle provides Purpose, the Mother principle provides Intelligence, and the combination of Spirit and Matter produces Consciousness.

We are all trying to explain the unexplainable.

Peace.