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Old 09-12-2019, 05:31 PM
Morpheus Morpheus is offline
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At the same time, "SAVED", means rescued. As by another.
"Grace", also, means "UNMERITED FAVOR", jojo.
There can be no true joy if one is continually anxious and worried of losing their "eternal" salvation. It is not what God has intended. The Almighty intends us to live with Joy.

As part of a fallen situation, we are either sinners lost, or sinners saved
NO ONE, is of themselves jojo, righteous. As Jesus was and is.

One must accept that something has changed when they hear of, accept and received Christ. Since the greater reality is about the timeless and eternity, one must realize that their salvation was pre ordained, and foreknown, as it states in the scriptures, involving the "elect".
Even while the devil would have us believe we can lose it, and thus spoil the Joy and assurance God wishes for us to have.
One problem it seems with the JW's is that they fail to recognize a greater reality of the Spirit, involving the timeless. <~
And jojo, curious, what does Ephesians 2:8 state in the New World translation, concerning,
"No, not of works"?

Concerning what satan wants as well, the devil wants people to embrace a bloodless salvation, disregarding the atonement Christ made on behalf of all who believe and look to Him.
When in fact this has been the means and foundation of salvation ever since the Law was given through Moses. Pointing the way, eventually, to the cross.
"I believe there are two sides to the phenomena known as death. This side where we live, and the other side, where we shall continue to live.
Eternity does not start with death.
We are in eternity now." - Norman Vincent Peale

"There is no place in this new kind of physics for both the field and matter, for the field is the only reality." - A. Einstein
Old 10-12-2019, 07:20 AM
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This thread has wondered way off topic. It has just turned into another argument.

The Humility, the Pride and the Shame.
Old 10-12-2019, 05:12 PM
Clover Clover is offline
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Christ is not only aware of sin, he also actively challenges it and he dislikes it. I AM on the other hand says "what sin?". It says "change your perception and sin disappears".

Sin makes God and Christ feel ill. But I AM is happy with it. I AM is in complete ecstasy and is completely unaware of evil. But God and Christ feel it and it makes them sad.

I AM really annoys me!

Hello All,

This is the original subject. There was no reason to go off it.

I am going to clean up the thread and delete any post that went off topic. Temporarily closing.

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