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Old 23-05-2024, 05:05 PM
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There is no “third person” as such in that perspective, only the perspective of an awareness that witnesses both - the self and the other - as Self. I do not know, never met Mooji, so I am just imagining that nondual witness Self …

Mooji is always pointing to that Awareness that is the Pure Being without a story which is called by many names...
I also never met him except I catch his essence through a screen...LOL...
He's funny...

Shoot, you gotta watch the ego self which wears many masks...
We still must play our part on this stage of Life...

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Old 25-05-2024, 11:35 PM
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I also never met him except I catch his essence through a screen...LOL...
He's funny...

Is ‘he’ funny (witty) or is it that from the ‘assemblage-point of nondual awareness’ perspective – the seriousness of an apparently, separately existing self-identification looks & sounds funny?

Perhaps both.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vnBD...FosterOfficial

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=X8D1...FosterOfficial
“The answer is in silence” ….
“Honor the wave whilst knowing the ocean …”


In the tribal settings/situations that I’ve been a part of – the individual differences are very much celebrated and encouraged, but within that collective presence sense as to how these serve the collective whole.

I cannot ‘read’ Mooji’s energy-field through the screen, have never made personal contact with him, but had I visited Portugal where he lives, I would have been curious to go & sit in his presence letting the ‘silence’ (which I equate with ‘space’) point out where his “assemblage point of awareness” is at.
Or like a ‘tuning fork’ aligned with his presence and then finding it incredibly difficult to speak as all the words uttered just end up sounding so fake …
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Old 25-05-2024, 11:45 PM
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Listening …

From one ….
In the end the only thing that I could relate to that (likely a distant Saami relative’s) book: “The Shamanic Zone” (mentioned earlier) - was the point he had made about listening.

To another….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KLWv...nnel=ErinBlack
“The sensory overload”

At that timeframe when I was simultaneously studying and working with the 2 groups, the First Nations and a Western group - OMG the sensory overload I felt @ the Western group, and it was absolutely driving me crazy & up the wall! – yet all the others in that group considered it as Normal.

In contrast, the Normal @ the First Nations group was “the awareness-ground of silence” (which I call “awareness-space”, but in practice it mounts to be the same) and when the Elders present there are and/or are in that ‘silence’ and you could just tune into it and rest/let go into that silence - then all the activities, everything just falls into ‘place’.

And once one is that and/or in that shared presence of silence – one can start to look and listen & learn …

Yet – people are always trying to ‘organize’ the ‘natives’.
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Old 28-05-2024, 01:33 AM
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Came across this quote by Mooji and did not or still - (because I haven’t met him) do not know what he meant by it exactly:
"Don't let the mind set the stage for your life because it will always be a limitation"
~ Mooji

However, as I was reflecting back on that sensory overload, that overwhelm and all the stress of it …
"The map is not the territory"
~ Alfred Korzybski

Mind as a map i.e. Map as mind’s summary of Life, Universe and Everything ….
When we are convinced of the rightness of our maps and identify with it, then our minds start to try to dictate what the consensus view of reality should be and further to try to control, organize it, competing with other maps for the place/hierarchy in the “Sun”.
But this in a group situation sets the stage for the “kingdom of confusion of tongues”, where everyone speaks the same language yet do not understand each other.
A very claustrophobic situation for me anyways, where as if all the air-space had been sucked out, creating a “frozen” image/version of reality one should then have to be molded, boxed into.

Is this what Mooji meant by mind setting the stage for your life? Don’t know.
But according to my map – this is how I understand it. (Contradiction – I know).

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Tolle had said something like “The whole phenomenal existence unfolding in vast spaciousness”.

Well, when ‘you’ step out of the stage-set of mind maps and enter another group, where the PRESENCE of vast Silent and Still SPACIOUSNESS sets the stage, what a blooming relief!

With the map out of the way - so much room to move, so much room to be yourself, whoever ‘you’ are - and spacious still silence enabling one to look and listen, to observe connections to and/or between things …

To me it felt like leaving the mental map world and entering the territory.
(where in a group setting "all my planets lined up").

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Which reminds me …
Was this self-conscious moment his unwillingness to leave the “territory” and enter the expected “mind map world”?:
From 3:26 to 4:11
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bPiK...onalGeographic

What did that bird in that moment of silence tell him – if anything?
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Old 28-05-2024, 06:20 AM
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What did that bird in that moment of silence tell him – if anything?

Heh.
Was it this bird?:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5Y1I...annel=Tolkuton

This bird is said to be very meaningful for the Saami.
Apparently or allegedly, when this bird (riekko) laughs in those fells, it always means more snow is coming … and if it sits on the branch of a tree - expect a heavy snowstorm …
(I didn’t read any other ‘omeny’ meanings ….)

At least that riekko bird (if that was what the bird was) had good timing …
"Reaffirmations From The World Around Us" lol.
Riekko’s announcement (within having entered into listening that silence) served as a reaffirmation about what the bloke was saying - heh.

Ahhhhh… Now we are in the “aboriginal/indigenous" territory … finally
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Not saying, this was the name of the game in that video situation, I wasn’t there, but I’ll use it to create a yarn to illustrate “silence territory” … (from my personal experience perspective).

Clearly, in the video the Saami bloke is not comfortable being a poser for the camera as he is no urban ‘cappuccino-conversationalist’ keen to conceptualize about his indigenousness. Nor is he a New Age Harner shaman word salad man.

It is about here and now & reindeer herding.
New snow is needed to soften the hard layer of snow beneath, so that it will be easier for the reindeer to dig for food.
And just stating it & then listening in on the silence around the snow question – ‘riekko’, the weather messenger, the snow forecaster appears like on cue into that silence to announce a snow fall coming.

If that was my (mind map) belief about the riekko bird, I would take note of that synchronistic moment.

But how would you then convey that to the person filming, who is solely focused on an object - ‘you’. Filmmaker who isn’t tuned in on … doesn’t watch & listen to the living connections through that space silence happening ….
There is a barrier of perception, even though he doesn’t set any barrier between indigenous and non …

Silence territory, where ‘magic’ happens, and isn’t ‘my’ magic … it doesn’t belong to anybody …
Around Elders synchronicities often happen thick and fast. Noticing them people tend to focus on the Elder as the source of them, which again places the focus on the wrong thing …


I don’t know – it however drives me bonkers when people come asking and expecting ‘indigenous knowledge’ to be given only focusing on things & conceptual data collection - totally ignoring the ‘elephant in the room’ – the ‘silence dimension’.

If that illustrates anything about the “silence territory”?
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