Where does contrast come from?

[Starman]

People are in various stages of consciousness development, and in my opinion truth is not something that we should agree upon rather truth is something that we should experience for ourselves. Given the variations in perspectives, with most people thinking their point of view is right, we have only to prove an intimate cosmology to ourselves; keeping in mind that quantity does not validate quality. The paradox is not between duality and non-duality, the paradox is about the intimate relationship which we have with ourselves. Needing others to agree with you is superficial and also it is a sign of insecurity. I do not have such insecurity.

[Joe Mc]

Originally Posted by iamthat

The non-duality of Being is beyond all qualities, including love. But out of Being comes Consciousness, and love arises naturally as a quality of Consciousness.

'Non Duality of Being' is love itself. It is love for itself and of itself, it is distinct from various kinds of love that have been characterised already ; Filial Love, Romantic Love, etc. and yet they are also expressions of Non Duality. When there is a spiritual experience characterised by complete love, ecstasy and bliss etc. etc. ...it is often seen how small even other kinds of love seem in comparison, perhaps smaller is a better word but different also to this first love. Various teachers including Jesus bring the word Peace into the mix and perhaps it's an attempt to homogenise all kinds of Love under the banner of one idea. I don't agree with the idea that There is Being, then there is consciousness, then there is love ?

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[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Joe Mc

'Non Duality of Being' is love itself. It is love for itself and of itself, it is distinct from various kinds of love that have been characterised already ; ...I don't agree with the idea that There is Being, then there is consciousness, then there is love ?

It is fine that you don't agree.

But I have to wonder how non-dual limitless Being can experience love for itself, since that suggests that this non-dual limitless Being is somehow separate from itself in order to be aware of itself in order to love itself.

It makes more sense to me that Consciousness identified with Being sees limitless Being everywhere and thus Consciousness loves all things, knowing all things to be itself.

Peace

[Starman]

In my perspective,
duality is non-duality reflecting itself to itself.
There is only one very simple thing happening here,
but the human mind wants to complicate it.

Peace

[Joe Mc]

Originally Posted by iamthat

It is fine that you don't agree.

They are descriptions after all so not all in agreement on that level that's for sure. The cause and effect
has to be broken, the wheel of samsara, this causes that and that causes this doesn't apply to the whole
as the whole is in and of itself perfect and needs no cause or effect or perception modulated through consciousness.
It is hard for human beings to accept this. it is a quantum leap and not everybody is au fait with miracles etc. This is
a very imperfect reply, it hardly makes any sense and probably doesn't do much justice to what you said. It's So hard
to write about this stuff lol.

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[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Joe Mc

... It's So hard to write about this stuff lol.

Indeed, we are trying to grasp very abstract concepts and make sense of them with a mind which is still very limited in its capacities.

All we can do is try to stretch our minds to become more effective tools for understanding.

Peace

[Joe Mc]

Originally Posted by iamthat

Indeed, we are trying to grasp very abstract concepts and make sense of them with a mind which is still very limited in its capacities.

All we can do is try to stretch our minds to become more effective tools for understanding.

Peace

Tis subtle indeed. Whatever descriptions folks come up with and any logic following on from it, let them at it !!!

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