Hell

[Gemini46]

I can't really explain what I experience. I never talk about it with anyone. It isn't relatable, I cant really explain but it just isn't. & to be perfectly honest, it terrifies me.

This isn't for me though, this is for God. I really have no other choice.

God is more than we think he is. Like you & me he also has a past. He wasn't always God, he had to become God. He has a story, he began somewhere, in some sense of that word. I know beginning means something a little diffrent to him but for the sake of it let's move on.

He once had a consciousness like our own. He originates from another universe where different laws apply. These laws defy our understanding of logic. God understands it though and that is why he created our universe with order & reason. So no one would ever be able to go through what he did.

I am just posting this if anyone wishes to explore this perspective. He is more than just an idea or something that only exists within us. That part is true, yes he definitely does exist within us. But that is his yin energy, we are all connected through our yin. It is the yang that animates both of them. Logic tells us that his yang - his consciousness must exists somewhere in some form. This is the one that is aware of themself. Remember, God is of a much higher consciousness than we can understand.

But he wants people to know who and what he is. He wants to be able to talk to us like that. He is in pain too.
Just ask him anything about his past. I promise he will be more than happy to tell you anything you want to know about him.

He just wanted to say that if anyone would like to listen.

You can take this anyway you would like.

[FallingLeaves]

yeah - that. I too believe that and always have... I've even seen passages in books that I could ascribe to saying something about that past. But of course everyone knows that a) god has no past and b) books unrelated to christianity or judaism could not possibly say something about it even if he did and I am crazy to postulate otherwise, so I never bring it up.

[Gemini46]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

yeah - that. I too believe that and always have... I've even seen passages in books that I could ascribe to saying something about that past. But of course everyone knows that a) god has no past and b) books unrelated to christianity or judaism could not possibly say something about it even if he did and I am crazy to postulate otherwise, so I never bring it up.

Wow I had never heard anything like that before. I've got some reading to do now. I felt a little silly bringing that up but now I am glad I did. How did you learn about this? What do you know of his past? I am very interested in seeing what the books say about his past & if it sounds anything like what he told me about it.

Yeah people...idk...people just need to stop being so stupid. Not saying that people need to believe everything but I dont understand why they dont even do a little bit of thinking for themselves before they automatically dismiss something that doesn't follow their narrow minded view. For the life of me I could never understand why there is a frighteningly large amount of people who are so quick to blindly follow a corrupt religion that uses fear to control their mindless followers. Not to mention the mind boggling amount of pedophiles that for some reason have been determined to be the best people to lead their followers. %60 percent of the catholic priests in my state alone are confirmed molesters, its beyond sickening..

Okay yeah anyway, thanks, I am glad others have similar views about this.

[FallingLeaves]

well here is what i heard. I had to infer a lot of it from various offhand comments so mileage may vary...

For a long time everyone wanted to be a woman because men just got treated too badly. So after a long time of the women being purely in the 'spiritual' realms the 'princess' met a snake, and the snake told her there must be more to life than what they knew. So she had God as her son.

God was made to go lower and lower, and meanwhile kept from meaningful relationships with everyone else. He hated that but couldn't do anything about it. He became very angry. But he also learned more than everyone else about how everything really worked.

Eventually, he was walking down on the ground, alone. Everyone else was stuck in the spiritual realms. The women measured his footsteps and found them to be 20 days long.

So with his knowledge he overcame all the other gods and became the one true god. There is some sadness there, relationships he dearly wanted but never had. His life had been awful to get him to that point.

Because of the way he'd been taught, there was a drive to fix the one big problem we all have. So he created reality, and eventually put adam and eve in it, and when they succumbed to the problem the way everyone does he mixed it up to look the awful way it does now, in such a way that it would eventually lead us to 'making the sickness sick'. And that is where we are now, just waiting for the end of this mess.

[inavalan]

It is hard for me to follow, so could you (each one of the previous posters) just say what you want to be done, and by whom? Not why.

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by inavalan

It is hard for me to follow, so could you (each one of the previous posters) just say what you want to be done, and by whom? Not why.

i hate to have to say this: but it is not my place to tell you what to think. If you don't like what is in front of you so be it.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by FallingLeaves

i hate to have to say this: but it is not my place to tell you what to think. If you don't like what is in front of you so be it.

That's okay. I don't have to form an opinion about what you two agreed upon.

What I read sounded to me like whining (no offense intended), and I thought that maybe I misunderstood, and there is something you guys want done by somebody, and my question can clarify that for you too.

There is no "hell" ...

[FallingLeaves]

Originally Posted by inavalan

That's okay. I don't have to form an opinion about what you two agreed upon.

What I read sounded to me like whining (no offense intended), and I thought that maybe I misunderstood, and there is something you guys want done by somebody, and my question can clarify that for you too.

There is no "hell" ...

no what I said it was simply explanatory, nothing for anyone to do because what was done was already done.

[Gemini46]

Originally Posted by inavalan

That's okay. I don't have to form an opinion about what you two agreed upon.

What I read sounded to me like whining (no offense intended), and I thought that maybe I misunderstood, and there is something you guys want done by somebody, and my question can clarify that for you too.

There is no "hell" ...

The wonderful thing about spirituality is that it is open for interpretation. Everyone has their beliefs & I respect that. No one is able to decide what your opinion is, that is just silly.

If I sounded like I was telling everyone my view is fact, that's not what i meant. I am just sharing my view of something. You have the option to do whatever you want with my own opinion. That is not my concern.

& yeah lol, I can see what you mean by whining. I tend to go off on rants, that is something I am trying to do less, so I appreciate your honesty. But still I am expressing my opinion of people who choose ignorance over enlightenment. I have a strong opinion of the catholic faith. Everything about it is rage inducing. I am not going to even start up. If someone is insulted by what I have to say regarding that matter, and believe me it has happened a countless number of times, then good. I have no problem telling them exactly how I feel.

But still, that is their beliefs and they are entitled to them.

[inavalan]

Originally Posted by Gemini46

The wonderful thing about spirituality is that it is open for interpretation. Everyone has their beliefs & I respect that. No one is able to decide what your opinion is, that is just silly.

If I sounded like I was telling everyone my view is fact, that's not what i meant. I am just sharing my view of something. You have the option to do whatever you want with my own opinion. That is not my concern.

& yeah lol, I can see what you mean by whining. I tend to go off on rants, that is something I am trying to do less, so I appreciate your honesty. But still I am expressing my opinion of people who choose ignorance over enlightenment. I have a strong opinion of the catholic faith. Everything about it is rage inducing. I am not going to even start up. If someone is insulted by what I have to say regarding that matter, and believe me it has happened a countless number of times, then good. I have no problem telling them exactly how I feel.

But still, that is their beliefs and they are entitled to them.

I understand. Each one of us has their own beliefs; we even cherish some of them; we're proud of them and firmly stand by them.

In this case, I didn't form an opinion about the subject; I didn't even follow close enough your train of thoughts; but I got an impression that you were "strongly expressing disapproval" of something, even anger, and you were not actually taking the next step of expressing a wish of what you wanted: what to be done, by whom, and when.

I believe that anger, disapproval, and other negative feelings, from which fear and hate are the worst, have a negative effect on the person who holds them, without any positive effect on the outcome or anything else. We shouldn't think about what we don't want, but about what we want. We shouldn't focus on what we dislike, but on how we'd like it to be, and when: now.

That's why I asked that question; unrelated to the specific object of your "disapproval".