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Old 21-08-2015, 01:17 AM
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Thank you. These types of site are very unreliable because they don't have documentation to prove anything.

That is why I find the op saying he could trace his ancestors to Pompeii a little strange. Documents from that era are very few and far, only Royals or important people would have paper work going so far back and even then a lot of it gets lost along the years. Thanks anyway.

Well, I am not the OP, and I did say 'sort of traced'. Yeah, you go back that far and you're talking 'the record such as it is'. According to that I am the 77th generation since Pompey. Few generations down the line it is a prefect in Gaul, a Duke in Alsace, several Kings of France who were all named either Phillip or Louis, a French princess who married an English king, moving to a bunch of lords and nobles, the descendent of one of whom moved to found a plantation in colonial Virginia, eventually leading to my sweet grandma in Indiana who had a thing about not eating fish without scales.

But back to the OP.... a descendent of David was King Solomon, who had like 400 wives and probably thousands of kids and millions of grand-kids. Has anyone traced the ancestors that far of Cyrus, or Nebuchadnezzar, or Pompey, or Herod.... were any of them descendents of Solomon through some foreign wife?

Or then again, "a shoot will come out of the root of Jesse". Maybe it is not from David per se but from one of Davidi's great uncles' lines....

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Old 25-09-2015, 01:02 PM
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Hi Folks..

Actually,the geneology itself is CRITICAL - but for reasons that are not well understood - having to do with GENETIC PURITY,above all other concerns...The crucial thing to remeber right at the stat here - THIS realm,isonce HDDEN ON PURPOSE - from the realm of the TRINITY,true Divine..

See what happens = Adam AND some FALLEN ANGELS,get expelled down here on the Eartha,nd later,those angels will tamper with the lifeforms here - nephilim and all that....This came about because the angels witness ANOTHER DIVINITY that is greater than thier own "god" - they wish to go and investigate this supreme thng,but the god HERE yahweh - wont allow them..Instaed,it FORBIDS them - creates mankind,and tries to get its angels interested in US,like we are "pets " or some such...

Understand - the angels WANT to go and see this NEW POWER,for it is GREATER than thier god - and so,this god,basically FORBIDS all his creation,from EVER gong to invetigate this new realm above...The god here is jealous - as it openly declars - IAM GOD and you wil have no other before ME...See - right there is this gods admission - OTHER GODS DO EXIST it says,but you are forbidden to have ANY other before me !!

SO,to quiten the growing unrest,it creats US,to kind of show how powerful IT is,a show of its own authoirty,Adam and later Eve,is created...

Then,some of the angels come to man,and basically TELL US too,about this SUPERIOR power ABOVE thier god,that they have witnessed,but are not allowed to invsetigate...So they say to man - basically - look,we cant go,but YOU CAN - here is KNOWLEDGE that will MAKE YOU LIKE GOD - ABLE to ascend to this other realm also - knowldge of all things "good and evil" that MAKES us BECOME GOD......ANGELS gaves us that knowldge,and bid us to go rise above,and investigate the TRUTH..Forbidden to THEM,but NOT forbiden - yet - to us mortals...

So - we take this knowldge - ths "fruit" - and when this god finds out,he is p*ssed,isnt he..?..He says basically- get them OUT OF HERE - BEFORE they now,take this OTHER fruit - other knowldge - and become IMMORTAL !!

See,angels gave us first widom,truth about the god who is NOT a god at all - truth of ALL good and evil - how it tricked and deceived them all - so now,we KNOW,what THEY all know - yahweh,is claiming authoirty over us that it is nOT entitled to,and is deceiving us out of jealousy..

So yahweh finds out that WE know the truth as well - and immediatly,he kicks us out,away from the SOURCE of that truth,the angels who taught us this..He knows we know truth - and if we learn HOW TO BECOME IMMORTAL too,then WE can go ABOVE HIM,to encounter directly for ourselves,that GREATER POWER they all witnessed....See where this is going..?...

Mankind - down here on the Erath,because angel sgave us WISDOM....In the "heavens" - thes eangels continue to question their god an dits authoirty - so basically,he gathers th erignleaders,tells them they have an asignement - come HERE onthe EArth,and WATCH OVER MANKIND....At forst,the angesl are most joyous - because look,they have now,unlimited access TO US - can TEACH US TRUTH about the GREATER DIVINITY,and can teach US how to ACCESS IT directly...!!

This is mankinds GOLDEN AGE - literally,the semi divine,walked side by side with mortal man...But see - YAHWEH the TRICKSTER and DECEIVER always - he sent those angels here,BECAUSE they chalenged his AUTHORITY - and covertly,he then literally ALTERS their form,their very energetic makeup - such that they are now UNABLE to attainthe "heeavens above" - thes eangels are literally BANISHED formheaven - expelled by subterfuge,under pretense of a mission ot watch and teach mankind...Yahweh,just want shot of th etroublemakers - so literally TRAPS them here among us....Thus,mankinds troubles ar ebaout to truly begin....

ETERNAL Angels - taken a MORTAL FORM - die here,and become TRAPED,unable to return to heaven...When their bodies fail,death occurs,their SOul becomes POWERLESS - it literally has nO MEANS to interact directly with the world here,and neither can it leave THISplane and go "home" - BARRED from entry...

They beginthen,to influence mankind to try to cerate their OWN SPECIES - a pecies that their eternal Soul can CONINUALLYindwell in thnoram reincarnation cycles...You know - a create dform - a species that can REPRODUCE inmortal ways (or be cloned of fourse)....A CONTINUAL phyiscla existance is vital - otherwise they are all but powerless insybstantial spirit,HERE among us - DEMONS a swe term them....

See then - they begin to tamper with LIFE ITSELF - NEPHILIM - they are at first,cross brreeding aninla species - man and bull beocmes minotaur - with horse,we get a centaur - on and on - endless manipulation all in an effort to create a NEW species specific fo these "fallen" - expelled - angels....FAilur fter repereaed failure,leads the angels to come to despise mankind and ll this gods creation...TRAPPED here,n near useless state - they despise their conddition....

So quite naturally I guess then - they eventually turn TO mankind itself - try to use US,to create a new species - part angel,part human - NEPHILIM - the giants of old who onc eran this world - along side thei eternal sires of course,intheir deceased,demonic form....

Note here though - not all angel sturn on mankind - and although a demon IS strictly speaking,a disembodied Angel,NOT ALL dmeons are "evil" - some fallen/expelled angels,died here in mortal form,became strictly speaking "demons",and yet have ALWAYS looked on mankind in a BENEVOLANT manner...We have tried through myth and legend to differentiate the two - demons and jinns fo rexamle - same class of spirit - actually a disembodied angel trapped among us - yet whol ydifferent nature an dcharacteristics....NOT ALL that were fallen/expelled became "evil" or adversary to us..

Some - saw what was happeing - the genetic manipulation and destruction of mankind - and under guidance form Christ directly (and Hs counterpart Sofia) - they influence mankind to be faithful to the GREATER power they all seek..

These are the TRUE Watchers -always benevolan tot mankind,doing the biddin gof CHRIST - NOT the demigod tyrant yawheh - but Christ and the TRINITY,true Divine,greater power above..

The angels who watch,selected a GENETIC BLOOD LINE irgh tback to FIRST MAN,first generation - ADAM...Throughout ALL THAT GENETIC TAPERING by thier fallen brethren,thewse Watchers,ensured that ONE genetc line REMAINED PURE AND UNTAINTED..So - form Adam,right through that long linage of Kings - righ tthrough to David n beyond - they ENSURED than they had PURE GENETICS - their actual DNA untampered ORIGINAL dna....

This is CRUCIAL - because MIND creates FORM - only a PURE FORM,can HOLD a PRE MIND - and see - CHRIST,is gong to have to come HERE AMONG US - to put all thi sright...HIS PURE MIND,NEEDED a PERFECT VESSEL - pure DNA its orignal format....THAT is th ekey ot ASCENSION - to crossing spiritual dimnsions - MIND creates MATTER - and th ematter INFLUENCES the mind - I and the FATHER are ONE - the Father is th eMIND that CAUSES ALL CREATION....

LITERALLY - to hold the mind of CHRIST - the material form MUST BE PERFECT !!

And se eright back at the start - we see why hti swas NECASSARY always - Christ HAD ot come here AS a mortal - because remeber - this relam - and the TRUE Divine - wee once SPERATE and HIDDEN one formth eother.....Christ cam to bridge that divide,merge these forgotten realm,an dfinally ALLOW Souls HERE to attainthe FAthers Home..To accomplish thta,He NEEDED a pure human form,original condition - as MIND cerates the material world,HIs pure mind vitally requird a pure vessel...Even as yahweh set his own plans in motion - to eradicate BOTH mankind and th eangels he had expelled - so too Christ and Sofia set THEIR plan in mtion - had these angels watch and guide mankind - ensure a PURE genetic bloodline until the necassary time and place,when Yeshua Christ adopted Hismorta form AS YEshua the Nazarene....

Now - as ide formthe ACTUAL blood line descendancy - father to son - or mother to son - the ting to bare in mind- is PURITY OF FORM....So for example,we can rul eout JOSEPH,an dHIS line,for he didnt give Yesha body ANY dna whatsoever...MAry though,DOE Shave a genetic link DIRECTLY ot the choisen line - and alonside this,MAry,comes form an ESSENE community..Now,thes epoele are quite renowned fo rthier purity anyway - for insatnce,eat their food RAW,as that is th way NAture,Our FAther provides it - yo uget th idea....If anyone can be "pure" of mind AND BODY,then it is an Essene - so SHE is chosen SPECIFICALLY 0 BY CHIRST HIMSELF - not yahweh - andgiven to MAry is literally a DIVINE seed of PURE dna direct from Christ which is implanted into her womb,to mature normally as a human infant does...

Its NOT so much about a scuuession of kings and rulers - by tEVERYTHING to do with a PURE genetic code,eventually allowing the cretaion of a PERFECT human form - Yeshua - whom Christ then indwelled to walk among us,teach and show us truth..
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Old 27-09-2015, 01:13 AM
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what is the specific geneology of Mary then?
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Old 27-09-2015, 02:09 PM
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Mary was of the house of David
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