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Old 15-11-2019, 02:39 PM
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I've had this problem for a while, maybe decades. Previously I didn't really have to decide that much as I was just going with the flow, but currently it appears my options are disappearing entirely. I figured my way forward would be to manifest a new life but I can't just get my head around what I would like to do. So, what to do?

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The pursuit of happiness & joy seems a reasonable goal. Moving up Maslow’s triangle. Then choosing that which is more enduring, less dependent upon the randomness of chance. Finally realising that we must go in, within to connect with the eternal while keeping in focus the material, social, intellectual as necessities of our earth interface mind-body vehicle.

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Old 16-11-2019, 12:27 AM
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About this..and about hypnagogic states...and all that stuff.

I also have a problem with chronic loss of motivation and purpose in life, yet all of the motivational speeches on YouTube just weren't doing it for me.

So, I went into a deep trance...a VERY deep trance...and when I go under, it is reminiscent of the Tibetan Yogis who can be buried for days...yeah, I can so do that..slow my breathing down to 2-3 breaths per minute? Slow my heart rate down to 20 beats per minute? Go into full hibernation mode? Easy peasy.

Problem is that each time I go into "shutdown" it gets harder and harder to snap out of it because the temptation to stop resisting the will to live just becomes too great..yet, I don't feel like I am ready to die yet...then God says "NOBODY is ever ready to die when their time comes" well, that was a cold, sobering yet comforting thought.

So then, the Lord asked me..."why should I let you live? and do you honestly believe that choice is yours to make?"

Yeah, so the God I worship is a pretty tough customer...He has had to be like that with me.

Well, I tried to think about all the things that I could be doing with my life that I wasn't already NOT doing and do you think I could find one? Heck, I don't even have a damn 'bucket list'.

God just laughed and said one word..."gratitude". He went on to say that if I really wanted to live, then I should at least be grateful for every second that I AM alive because once you are dead, it's too late for that.

So, I guess you are motivated to eat...to breathe and one doesn't quite understand the breathing they take for granted until they suffer with sleep apnea and need to be hooked up to a CPAP machine... that's what one gets from constant immersions in samadhi where the body just forgets to breathe...

So, there is nothing like motivation when the Grim Reaper comes knocking and goes "what would you do with your life if I gave you one more chance at living it?" and everything I could ever say is met with "well, you haven't done that yet, so what makes me think you are ever gonna do it?"

Nobody is gonna stand behind you cracking the whip.

There are two types of people...those who need to feel like doing something before they do it and those who need to do something before they feel like doing it and it is difficult to transition from one to the other and in the end, necessity becomes the only motivating factor because I feel sure you would run out of your house if it were on fire...and as stupid as it sounds, the "survival instinct" needs to be applied to everything you have ever wanted to do, thought about doing etc

It is the only way to bust chronic amotivation syndrome until "comfort zones" don't exist anymore and the habitual brain becomes rewired into a new neuroplasticity network...neurons that fire together, wire together...so just do something every day that you wouldn't normally do every other day - like walking a different route to work...eat dessert before the main meal...turn your shower down by 5 degrees...nothing speeds up the brain more than having a cold shower (just ask Wim Hoff) the motivation then, of course, is to dry your body very briskly and get dressed ASAP. LOL

I am only on my third day into this...I will keep you all informed of how I go.

Well that's funny. You have the God speaking to you, but he doesn't want to tell you what to do?

There is one thing I could imagine doing, that would be nice. The God would have to help me, because it is an impossible task for a human being. But I'm not getting any support in that regard. I've sought guidance for a long time, don't see the point of seeking it any longer. Don't really wanna go my own way or live the life of an ordinary individual, either. Guess I'll just let things go their own way as usual.
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Old 16-11-2019, 10:15 AM
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Well that's funny. You have the God speaking to you, but he doesn't want to tell you what to do?

There is one thing I could imagine doing, that would be nice. The God would have to help me, because it is an impossible task for a human being. But I'm not getting any support in that regard. I've sought guidance for a long time, don't see the point of seeking it any longer. Don't really wanna go my own way or live the life of an ordinary individual, either. Guess I'll just let things go their own way as usual.
It is because you are only hearing what you WANT to hear and not what you NEED to hear...would you like me to demonstrate this?

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You have the God speaking to you, but he doesn't want to tell you what to do?

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God just laughed and said one word..."gratitude". He went on to say that if I really wanted to live, then I should at least be grateful for every second that I AM alive because once you are dead, it's too late for that.

So, did God tell me what to do? Yes or no?

Some people need to stop with the whole "selective perception" thing...I realise that it is only human nature to pay attention to those things that one merely WANTS to be true so they can justify existing the way that they do, but for one who is not on the level of "human being", this does get very tedious when trying to explain anything to one who is.

Does anybody out there have a solution for THAT one? I have spoken to God about this and He just tells me that He also has the same problem so He wouldn't have a clue either.
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Old 16-11-2019, 11:37 AM
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Some people need to stop with the whole "selective perception" thing...I realise that it is only human nature to pay attention to those things that one merely WANTS to be true so they can justify existing the way that they do, but for one who is not on the level of "human being", this does get very tedious when trying to explain anything to one who is.

Does anybody out there have a solution for THAT one? I have spoken to God about this and He just tells me that He also has the same problem so He wouldn't have a clue either.

How can one understand what one isn't remotely capable of understanding on an intellectual level? I'm content to leave it at that. It can probably be best described in one word - humility.

Gratitude is another great word and I'm glad you brought it up. Sometimes I contemplate at a very gross and conceptual level the Butterfly Effect from the beginning of what we label reality leading to sitting at a keyboard and typing this reply.

I'm going to take a nice hike tomorrow in the cold and snow of the mountain wilderness and soak it all in like a sponge.
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Old 16-11-2019, 01:09 PM
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It is because you are only hearing what you WANT to hear and not what you NEED to hear...would you like me to demonstrate this?

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So, did God tell me what to do? Yes or no?

Some people need to stop with the whole "selective perception" thing...I realise that it is only human nature to pay attention to those things that one merely WANTS to be true so they can justify existing the way that they do, but for one who is not on the level of "human being", this does get very tedious when trying to explain anything to one who is.

Does anybody out there have a solution for THAT one? I have spoken to God about this and He just tells me that He also has the same problem so He wouldn't have a clue either.

Ok, so I'm grateful, then what? I can accept that God has nothing in store for me other than to be at home and be content. But that does sound rather pathetic.
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Old 16-11-2019, 01:31 PM
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Ok, so I'm grateful, then what? I can accept that God has nothing in store for me other than to be at home and be content. But that does sound rather pathetic.

You are the craftsman of your quality of being and in all respects. If you don't think the job's a worthy endeavor then it will be pathetic. To me this is an obvious truth.
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Old 16-11-2019, 02:41 PM
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Ok, so I'm grateful, then what? I can accept that God has nothing in store for me other than to be at home and be content. But that does sound rather pathetic.
What makes you think that?
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Old 16-11-2019, 02:51 PM
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How can one understand what one isn't remotely capable of understanding on an intellectual level? I'm content to leave it at that. It can probably be best described in one word - humility.

Gratitude is another great word and I'm glad you brought it up. Sometimes I contemplate at a very gross and conceptual level the Butterfly Effect from the beginning of what we label reality leading to sitting at a keyboard and typing this reply.

I'm going to take a nice hike tomorrow in the cold and snow of the mountain wilderness and soak it all in like a sponge.
I may also spend some quality time elsewhere for a while...good idea! I need to be constantly overstimulated and not bored into an endless rut.

Most of the time when I try to communicate with another person, I keep on getting reminded of why it is that I much prefer to keep to myself and my own company. I pretty much need to learn to accept that this is the way it just is because it is not in my power to change it.

This can also be said for the lack of motivation as experienced by the OP. If you know there is nothing you can do to change things, why fight it believing you can? Just accept it, deal with it and move on and if you cannot deal with it, then THAT becomes the issue and not the loss of motivation itself. Some people got it and some people don't and that is all there is to it.
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Old 16-11-2019, 03:45 PM
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What makes you think that?

Perhaps you are implying that i should be grateful for things I can expect the receive?

On a side not, is not Shiva the God of the Cannabis plant? What interest does he have in it's proliferation?
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Old 16-11-2019, 04:17 PM
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Perhaps you are implying that i should be grateful for things I can expect the receive?

On a side not, is not Shiva the God of the Cannabis plant? What interest does he have in it's proliferation?
I'm not implying anything (I do not "imply")... Just getting you to find your own answers because I don't have any for you.

That being said, a lack of motivation and purpose is often one of the main symptoms of clinical depression and I know that I personally suffer with it...badly!

Best you go and see a psychiatrist to find out why...go on some antidepressant meds and see if that clears it all up...I may need to go back on mine after not taking them for 2 years believing I didn't need them anymore...time I revisited that decision methinks.

Shiva is the God of lots of things...everything, in fact and people who smoke ganja only associate this with Him to condone their own personal use of it...but the image has stuck nonetheless.

What interest does He have in its proliferation? You would need to ask Him yourself because I have better questions to ask...like "what constitutes a total waste of my time?"

...and He just replied "anything that is NOT meditation".

So there we have it.
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