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Old 21-12-2021, 12:02 AM
jaminhealth jaminhealth is offline
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Many claim Jesus was a Jew. If he was I don't care. He's what he was if he ever existed, which I've questioned over my life. The history books have lost so much info over 100's of years. Or 1000's of years.
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Old 21-12-2021, 11:03 PM
Bambo Bambo is offline
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Yes I heard he was a jew also and he didnt like that faith so he left and thats why they killed him........
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Old 07-01-2022, 02:19 AM
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Yes I heard he was a jew also and he didnt like that faith so he left and thats why they killed him........

According to the scriptures, Jesus was definitely a Jew.

The great grandfather of the biblical Jesus was Yehoshua/Jesus III, who was the high priest in Jerusalem from 36 to 23 BC and is believed to have been murdered at the orders of Herod the Great. The sonless Yehoshua, had three daughters, Joanna, Elizabeth and Anna/Hanna, whose mother was from the tribe of Asher.

Elizabeth, the sister to Hanna, was the aged mother of John the Baptist and aunty to Mary, who IMO became pregnant to Joseph her half-brother, as she and Joseph were both sired by Alexander Helios III who is also called Heli, who IMO was the son of Cleopatra and Mark Antony.

There are two men from around this period, who were named ‘Alexander Helios III’, one was the son of Cleopatra and Mark Anthony, who was adopted out after the suicidal deaths of his parents, with absolutely no historical evidence of what may have happened to him, the other, was the son (Or adopted son) of Mattathias=Mattat and his wife Esther of Jerusalem, or Queen Alexandra II, a close friend of Cleopatra the Queen of Egypt.

Alexandra was to became the mother (Or step-mother) of Heli ben Mattat or Prince Alexander Helios III. who became the father of Mary the mother of Jesus and her half- brother Joseph, by different mothers.

Esther of Jerusalem can be identified as the future Maccabee Queen known by her Greek name as Queen Alexandra II, who was the great grandmother of Yeshua (Jesus) on his father’s side. Whereas the great grandmother on his mother’s side was Phanuel the mother of Hanna the mother of Mary.
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Old 07-01-2022, 05:04 PM
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Yes, excellent research, The A.

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Old 07-01-2022, 09:07 PM
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Yes, excellent research, The A.

Hanna, was the daughter of Jehosua the high priest in Jerusalem and his wife Phanuel of the tribe of Asher, and Hanna, the sister of Elizabeth, who gave birth to John the baptist at a very advanced age, was the aged grandmother of Jesus. She had been a virgin until she was about 70 when she was betrothed to young Alexander Helios, an heir to the throne of David and the young father of Mary. He was murdered by Herod the Great around 13 BC when Hanna was 77. And Hanna was 84 years old and had been a widow for seven years, from the death of her husband til the birth of Jesus her grandson in 6 BC.

Immediately after the death of Alexander Helios/Heli, the young 7 years old Mary was taken into Galilee and protected and raised by the Zealots, whose aim it was, to throw off the yoke of Roman rule and establish a descendant of David on the throne. While Hanna, the elderly mother of Mary did not depart from the Temple, worshiping, fasting and praying night and day etc. See Luke 2: 36…….

From Young’s Analytical Concordance to the Bible; “Phanuel:” An Asherite and mother of Hanna/Anna the prophetess who came into the temple when Jesus was presented there by his parents, and spoke of him to those who looked for redemption [Deliverance from the yoke of Rome] in Israel.
It was the sister of Hanna, Elizabeth, who lived in the land of Benjamin, and who was the aged pregnant mother of John the Baptist, whose first words to her niece Mary, were; “How happy you are to believe that the Lords message to you (While she was still in Nazareth of Galilee) will come true.”

How did Elizabeth know that the message to young Mary was, that she was to become pregnant and bear the future King of Israel, ‘Jesus,’ a descendant of King David, and that the act by which the child would be conceived, would be hidden in the shadow beneath the wings of the Lord of spirits who would over-shadow her act of obedience.

Was Elizabeth a party to the conspiracy? And was Joseph the son of Alexander Helios (The father of Mary) already there among the family and friends of the aged and pregnant Mother of John the Baptist? John, who later on in life, and while in prison sent his disciples to Jesus to ask if he really were the promised king and saviour of the Israelites, or if they had to wait for someone else?

Surely John would not have doubted for one moment that Jesus was the promised Messiah, if he believed that his cousin Mary was an ever virgin, in whose womb, an alien life form that pre-existed the creation of the cosmos, created for itself a human like body that was not of the seed of Adam, which body had not inherited the penalty of Adams sin?

From the Revised Standard Version, Luke 2: 36; “And there was a prophetess, Anna the daughter of Phanuel of the tribe of Asher; she was of a great age, [84] having lived with her husband 7 years from her virginity [married at the age of 70] lived with her husband until he was murdered when she was 77 and as a widow for 7 years until she was 84 when her grandson Jesus was born.

As a widow, Anna/Hanna remained in her Parthenia= state of seclusion for 7 years, from the death of her husband in 13 BC, until the birth of Jesus in 6 BC, but this does not mean that she was a virgin. A more accurate rendering of the term “Parthenos” is a person who does not have a regular sexual partner. An unmarried woman with children and no partner, would be a Parthenos.

‘Parthenos,’ was often used in reference to non-virgins who had never been married. Homer uses it in reference to unmarried girls who were no longer virgins, and Homer was the standard textbook for learning Greek all throughout antiquity, so any writer of Greek, including the authors of the Septuigint and Matthew, who translated Isaiah’s words, that (An unmarried woman would be with child etc) while being well aware of this words versatile and indefinite meaning; were in no way implying that Mary was a virgin when they were forced to use the Greek term ‘Parthenos’ in translating Isiah 7: 14.
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