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Old 19-04-2021, 10:35 PM
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Hello HITESH SHAH.

Thanks for the offering of your thoughts-- thoughts which illuminate concerning the history of the human recognition and subsequent recording of the apparent consistency of such interactions of various forces, constituents etc. which we currently understand to be active in the process of existence.

Thoughts coming to my mind are not about such history but are about why is there such consistency?

Is such consistency purposeful--looking forward? Or is such consistency actually not a cause leading to some subsequent consequence but itself a consequence of some "previous" causal phenomenon?

Or both, or neither?
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Old 22-04-2021, 07:39 AM
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purposeful or otherwise

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Hello HITESH SHAH.

Thanks for the offering of your thoughts-- thoughts which illuminate concerning the history of the human recognition and subsequent recording of the apparent consistency of such interactions of various forces, constituents etc. which we currently understand to be active in the process of existence.

Thoughts coming to my mind are not about such history but are about why is there such consistency?

Is such consistency purposeful--looking forward? Or is such consistency actually not a cause leading to some subsequent consequence but itself a consequence of some "previous" causal phenomenon?

Or both, or neither?

The answer to this is both . Just like what we do in sports / romance may not at all be intelligible to somebody not knowing about it (like a very small kid or other sentient being of other species ) and they feeling something random / bizarre / weird about it . But we playing sports know, the kind of exhilaration / thrill / excitement / suspense it provides . It's worth it even if we spend our time / money behind it apparently gaining virtually nothing in material terms . Also as u know , games are no games if there are no rules/ restrictions,penalties, feebies and judgement . And these rules are the guidelines , universe operates on auto-pilot mode without needing any active universal interference in routine mundane matters .
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Old 25-04-2021, 10:30 PM
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Thinking further,

"consistency" is perhaps best regarded as not being of itself causal, but having a decisive role in determining the nature of the consequence/s which result from interactions.

It seems that though the nature of such consequences are many and varied, our current understanding is that the "construction" of such consequences appears to be a process of non random predictability which is logical and understandable--as far as we are currently able to ascertain.

Yet pondering further, perhaps this "conclusion" appears to have validity to us because our ability to apply reason in such a manner is itself very much dependent upon the exercising of logic and evidence of non random predictability?

We might wonder if in such circumstances objective analysis loses traction? and wonder how we might discern not so much by being outside looking on but by being inside taking in?
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Old 28-04-2021, 07:30 AM
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Intellectual honesty

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Thinking further,

"consistency" is perhaps best regarded as not being of itself causal, but having a decisive role in determining the nature of the consequence/s which result from interactions.

It seems that though the nature of such consequences are many and varied, our current understanding is that the "construction" of such consequences appears to be a process of non random predictability which is logical and understandable--as far as we are currently able to ascertain.

Yet pondering further, perhaps this "conclusion" appears to have validity to us because our ability to apply reason in such a manner is itself very much dependent upon the exercising of logic and evidence of non random predictability?

We might wonder if in such circumstances objective analysis loses traction? and wonder how we might discern not so much by being outside looking on but by being inside taking in?

The nature of such consequences are many and varied , yet it is not kept fixed / definitive / pin-pointed to enable enough playing scope for our individual analysis / effort . As scriptures say God resides in us also and everything happens as per God's will , so our individual will too can be part of God will if we choose to be on the right direction of the force.

Intellectual honesty & excellence alone can ensure we dont lose the overall picture and we use the limited free will in the most creative and objective way .
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Old 09-05-2021, 11:51 AM
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Hello HITESH SHAH. Thanks again for your thoughts.

You mention "free will"--it's an absorbing concept--as you have touched upon.

As a concept it plays a large role in discussion, theory, etc.

In practice, and quite obviously, our exercising of free will may not be possible if we do not have the means to do so.

In addition, our exercising of free will may result in our own decision to restrain ourselves for a variety of reasons-- including for what we consider to be for our own "benefit", and also for reasons which we individually and collectively consider are beneficial to other/all. The latter not necessarily dependent upon teachings or moral guidance or-- if I may say without wishing to undermine any persons belief in the divine--divinity.?
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Old 09-05-2021, 04:14 PM
HITESH SHAH HITESH SHAH is offline
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free will ?

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Hello HITESH SHAH. Thanks again for your thoughts.

You mention "free will"--it's an absorbing concept--as you have touched upon.

As a concept it plays a large role in discussion, theory, etc.

In practice, and quite obviously, our exercising of free will may not be possible if we do not have the means to do so.

In addition, our exercising of free will may result in our own decision to restrain ourselves for a variety of reasons-- including for what we consider to be for our own "benefit", and also for reasons which we individually and collectively consider are beneficial to other/all. The latter not necessarily dependent upon teachings or moral guidance or-- if I may say without wishing to undermine any persons belief in the divine--divinity.?

Yes you are right and i also have qualified the free will with word 'limited' . There is absolutely nobody free except God . Even the president of a powerful country for lifeterm appointed unopposed with 0 opposition also may have his options limited depending on the context we talk . The free will for us is always relative / limited / contextual and not absolute as some may desire.

Even word "own" & "benefit" too are very subjective and depends widely from situation to situation . However I do understand that in your context of moral teachings/divinity . Well said.
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