🥳JESUS' PRE-HUMAN EXISTENCE🥳

Originally Posted by ThatMan

Then who appeared to Abraham? To whom gave Abraham to eat?

Are you referring to Genesis 18 ? Without specifying it cannot be answered.

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by Molearner

Are you referring to Genesis 18 ? Without specifying it cannot be answered.

Sure, that one, I don't recall any other instance where Abraham gave God ( LORD ) to eat.

[BigJohn]

Does it actually say God (Lord)?
Other words, does it say Yahweh or even Elohim?

Or does it say something else?


Most of the other verses around that particular verse say Yahweh and some even say Elohim but what about that particular verse?

[BigJohn]

In Genesis 1:26a, it reads: "Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image".

The question for a long time was who was the 'us'?
Was it refering to the Sons of God?

....... and then Paul explained to us that Jesus was the first born of creation and that everything else was created by him which in of itself was an interesting revelation.

I shortened this to two sentences below.

An ancient Greek brought here in a time machine and who magically learned English may say, "it's amazing there are so many names for Μελχισέδεκ!" Many have named Μελχισέδεκ "God!"

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

In Genesis 1:26a, it reads: "Then God said, “Let us make mankind in our image".

The question for a long time was who was the 'us'?
Was it refering to the Sons of God?

....... and then Paul explained to us that Jesus was the first born of creation and that everything else was created by him which in of itself was an interesting revelation.

The orthodox interpret this through the idea of trinity, "us" means, The Father, the Holy Spirit and the the Son of God, the Christ, 3 manifestations of the same nature, God. This explains how could Jesus could create everything, it was not just Jesus, but all 3 as one.

Now, I don't really know, some talk about aliens, that the creators of mankind are aliens, some talk about many gods.

Then God said, Let us make mankind in our image

that one is fairly simple to me. the religion that wrote that believed in a "heavenly council" that ran things in heaven of which "god" was one member. so things like the creation of humankind were done or decided by the council.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by ThatMan

The orthodox interpret this through the idea of trinity, "us" means, The Father, the Holy Spirit and the the Son of God, the Christ, 3 manifestations of the same nature, God. This explains how could Jesus could create everything, it was not just Jesus, but all 3 as one.

Now, I don't really know, some talk about alines, that the creators of mankind are aliens, some talk about many gods.

The scripture dealing with "Let's make man in our image" is in Genesis which is in the Old Testament. Hebrews, Jews, etc. never believed in a Trinity.

And then along came the Apostle Paul, who claimed in Colossians 1:16 that

"For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him."

which made clearer, Jesus' pre-human existence. The last phrase "and for him" seems to imply there is more to the story.

[ThatMan]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

The scripture dealing with "Let's make man in our image" is in Genesis which is in the Old Testament. Hebrews, Jews, etc. never believed in a Trinity.
And then along came the Apostle Paul, who claimed in Colossians 1:16 that
"For in him all things were created: things in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or powers or rulers or authorities; all things have been created through him and for him."
which made clearer, Jesus' pre-human existence. The last phrase "and for him" seems to imply there is more to the story.

That I know, the Hebrews/Jews ( the majority ) don't even believe in Christ as christianity presents Him. We here talk about a christian perspective.

Yes, Christ's pre-human existence is clear, has always been clear to me.