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Old 29-10-2020, 05:38 AM
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I can understand that because if you got upset over the Bodies you pick up. you would not be able to do your job


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INTERESTING POINT!

I think how we react to death might be dependent upon where we live. I suspect Urban people might not see as much death as Rural people see.

I was brought up in the Rural. When my step brother was home, we always saw one or more deer hanging up in our wood shed during the fall season. We entered our house thru the wood shed.

Besides hunting, trapping was also a part of our life.

I remember when I was about 8 years old, we had a Colt that got lock jaw (Tetanus). We had to put him down. I remember Pops and my step brother went and dug a grave near our woods and near a cemetery for one family that lived on our land back in the 1700's.

We raised our own chickens, pigs and beef. Which meant, every once in a while, one or more of our animals would end up in our freezer.

For those who lived like us in the Rural, I suspect we had a different, more acceptable view of death then those who lived in the Urban areas. Just my viewpoint.
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Old 03-11-2020, 09:13 PM
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i kinda got lost in the last half of this about what you were trying to express, but i do like the way you describe the difference in response to deaths and why, because it very much mirrors NDE experiences and how the effects on our beliefs tend to profound our experiences and color them.
My real question is what are you saying, this has to do with spiritulaity as such? What is it you have discovered?


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There is a big difference between our philosophy about death and the actual experience of dying. We might also react differently to the death of someone else, especially a loved one, than we would react to the experience of our own death. I have seen hundreds of people die, as a combat medic in war, and ambulance paramedic in major cities, and having worked in hospitals and hospices.

Death looks different in a war where people are shooting and killing each other, etc., than it does people dying in a hospital, or people dying on the streets, in a car accident, etc. Nonetheless, death does the same thing regardless where we die. Regardless of our age, we are all always one breath away from death. The only thing is how and when, which is mostly out of our control.

How and when has different impacts on the people we leave behind, and may even have a different impact on us when we die. When: the death of a baby has more of and impact than the death of and older person; primarily because we may think of that baby’s innocence and them dying so young. In the Vietnam War I carried a dead baby in my arms and it had a more powerful effect on me than seeing my buddies die. Hard to explain, except to say that baby left behind a more powerful presence.

How: there are basically two methods by which a person dies; terminal death and sudden death. Terminal death, this is when death lingers for days, weeks, or months, and it comes from and illness or injury. COVID-19 involves terminal death, as does cancer, etc. A person can be in a coma for weeks or months and then die. It is one thing for you to accept your own death and another thing for your loved ones to accept your death. Terminal death draws out the process of dying.

Sudden death can occur in many ways, and may involve the person having a few minutes or hours before dying, or they may instantly die without warning. A person can suddenly die in their sleep, and accident, advanced undetected disease, like a heart attack, suicide, or homicide. I have seen all of these and they effect surviving loved ones differently. Usually a person has no time to think about their own death when it comes suddenly. They are here and then they are gone. A person falling off of a cliff or being stabbed will scream; are they screaming because of the pain or because they are about to die?

Medical science has determined that there are two types of death, brain death and clinical death. Usually in brain death, a person is in a coma and they are kept alive by machines. Your doctor or hospital may have something called and “Advance Directive,” it used to be called “A Living Will,” and it states, among other things, whether or not you wish to be kept alive by artificial means, machines, etc. If you do not have such a document on file, and you are in a coma, then loved ones, or the courts, will make that decision for you.

Clinical death is when your heart stops beating. Truly death is nothing more than the death of the physical body. There are also machines that can be used to keep your heart beating. But if a person has no brain activity (brain death) no heartbeat, or other vital signs, then they are declared dead. Although I have seen people declared dead, put on a slab in the morgue, and that person later woke up and was very much alive. Some people do have a fear of being buried, or cremated, alive because of a false death declaration, but in many countries most people who are declared dead receive and autopsy, and an autopsy will kill you if you are not already dead.

Death is not a morbid subject for me as I have seen so much of it. Different cultures react to death differently. Most people dwell on the afterlife, or after death experience, then they do the here and now experience of dying. Most do not consider talking about the afterlife as morbid, in fact many consider that discussion pleasing or intriguing. But what I have shared here may be considered more about the morbidly of death. Does not matter, although some do hide in their philosophies or spiritual perspectives of death; the actual experience of death will be much more than our philosophy or other perspective. Still whatever brings a person comfort in their transition should be embraced.
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Old 08-11-2020, 08:57 AM
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Thank you for making this thread and for your service in the military and as a paramedic.

Working within the ICUs of a hospital has brought me closer to my own mortality. It is hard to talk about my experiences witnessing death on such a regular basis because the people in my life do not know how to handle the conversation. The first 4 years were very difficult for me to let go of the traumas and energy of all these different families. It is more comfortable for me now. So much that I am curious about getting into mortuary science and pathology.
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Old 08-11-2020, 01:27 PM
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My wife's grandfather passed away about a year ago. It was the first time she saw death other than her dog about 6 years ago. It was interesting because we discussed it and she told me how foreign it was to her.

I was a lot more relaxed about both situations and gave her a stable mind to sort of anchor herself from. In our discussions though, I came to realize how I've had a hand full of people pass away in my experience and how that's sort of set the grounds for my responses.

At a young age I remember an Aunt of mine passing away. I was around for that. Though as I think about this I realize that the human response to death is really programed into us through other experiences as well. Consider this: When I was young I was constantly moving between mom and dad and then even in my teens, moving from friends. My experience of having those I loved being removed from my environment, now I can say for sure, has had a significant impact on how I view those who pass. I'm more adjusted to losing people.

For hunters, I think it's great that many still appreciate life. They see death very regularly and I think it gives them a ground of realizing that being here and then being gone... it's that simple. I have a few friends who enjoy hunting and they live, love, and appreciate what they have all at the same time.
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Old 08-11-2020, 02:27 PM
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Excuse me? It sounds like you need to get over your damn self and how you think people should say things. Hop off your high and mighty "unison" horse because it can sound more ego driven than the ones you accuse of it. How disrespectful.
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Old 08-11-2020, 09:06 PM
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Disrespectful?

There was no intent at disrespect.

I choose not to live with a mask.

The military,wears the mask.

Thankyou and blessings to you.

Take care.: )
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Old 08-11-2020, 10:50 PM
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Disrespectful?

There was no intent at disrespect.

I choose not to live with a mask.

The military,wears the mask.

Thankyou and blessings to you.

Take care.: )

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Old 13-11-2020, 02:47 PM
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My step-brother, when he was a youth, used to work for the undertaker. The undertaker also had an ambulance which my step brother would drive, etc. One day, when he was about 19 years old, he went and picked up a body from a car accident. After picking up the body, he had to go and pick up the head. That event, never seemed to have bothered him.
Ambulance drivers and the like, especially those who work with dead human bodies on a regular basis, usually either become hardened, maybe even warped, they may become emotionally distant, or extremely compassionate. I had to stop working in the death and dying field because I became obsessed with it.

I once knew and ambulance paramedic who enjoyed having sex with dead women; he would go into the morgue at night after most of the staff had left, and look at dead naked females who were there. He talked about it all the time but I actually did not know if he ever acted on those fantasies. Its’ called “necrophilia.”

The first time I watched an autopsy it grossed me out, but in time it just became another medical examination. You cut a person open, remove their brain and internal organs and test them for abnormalities. Although it is still a little poignant for me to observe a baby, or young child, go through an autopsy. There are people who are squeamish about seeing the blood which they have in their own body, but I find the human condition fascinating.

When I was and ambulance paramedic I lived in a funeral home. Right across the hall from my apartment was the embalming room. I would step out of my apartment and the door on the embalming room was usually wide open and a tech was in there doing cosmetic work on the dead bodies. The tech was usually whistling a tune or listening to music as they worked.
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Old 13-11-2020, 02:53 PM
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Thank you for making this thread and for your service in the military and as a paramedic.

Working within the ICUs of a hospital has brought me closer to my own mortality. It is hard to talk about my experiences witnessing death on such a regular basis because the people in my life do not know how to handle the conversation. The first 4 years were very difficult for me to let go of the traumas and energy of all these different families. It is more comfortable for me now. So much that I am curious about getting into mortuary science and pathology.
I relate 100% to what you are sharing. I could not talk to others either because most people are put off by the topic of death. Lots of people want to talk about the afterlife but most find the actual topic of death disturbing. I can appreciate the work which you do in ICU, that type of work is confronting and does help us grow.
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Old 18-11-2020, 11:06 AM
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It helps to be sensitive enough to feel the differences in vibrations; what does a spiritual presence feel like to you, and there is also and approaching presence we may feel when our physical body is dying. Keeping in mind that physical life is terminal and we are always experiencing the death of something or other.

Watching the death of our pets, relatives, or other loved ones, gets us in touch with our own mortality. There are many things that happen in life which can prepare us for our own physical death. My only endeavor is to die at peace with myself. No fear, anxiety, or anticipation of what is next.

Some die screaming in pain, or out of fear, while others die peacefully, letting go to a smooth transition. We return to that from which we came. What we call “death” is really not a stranger to us. It is the most natural and most common among all living things.

Billions have died before you and billions will die after you have left this physical existence. The coming and going is constant. But your death will be as unique as you are, the same may be said of your after death experience.

Every human being living on this earth is not having the same experience, why would we think that everyone after the death of their physical body will have the same experience? Nonetheless, the journey does continue, in one form, or formlessness, or another.

It is helpful to try to wake up in your dream at night while your body is sleeping. We are all trying to awaken in one way or another, and there is no end, or ultimate, to that awakened state. Wake up when your body is awake and also wake up when your body is asleep.

When death comes your body will feel so tired, like you are exhausted, and you will be unable to move it. It will be like passing out and falling asleep, but we can remain conscious even as our body sleeps. It is only the physical body that dies.

Staying awake can help you when you can no longer inhabit your physical body. Any degree of awakening will change your vibration. The more light we gather to ourselves the greater we can see; divine light is awareness accompanied with unconditional love. That light is within you.

Grow that divinity which is within us, we all have it, and it is as simple as giving it our attention. What we give our attention to will grow. That divine spark, which is the likeness of God, is within us; it came with us when we entered this physical world, and will leave with us when we go.

Give your undivided attention to the silent presence of formlessness that is within you; it may reveal the presence of incredible light that is within you, and that light feels like overwhelming love. It can guide you through your life here on Earth, and also guide you when you leave and go beyond this Earth.

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Starman,

Some very interesting words that have given me some comfort.
I am a seeker ,still seeking to figure out what this life and death is all about. Life's journey with all the knowledge, interactions and relationships we make seems to me to be too complex to just end..and I have felt there must be something more after death ?
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