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Old 27-06-2021, 07:02 PM
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Oneness vs. Sameness argument …

In nonduality or undivided awareness - individual uniqueness’s really stand out, hence the union of 2 polarities is experienced as a paradox.

“Sameness” to me implies man-made boundaries. Uniformity trying to masquerade as Unity - in other words sameness trying to replace the Transcendent in order to secure and to make permanency, predictability out of something which cannot be secured nor made permanent, or made into a ‘thing’.

Sameness reminds me of “Forced Assimilation”.

Sameness also reminds me of the Tower of Babel - the Tune being the movement is mind (conventional truths, the known) instead of staying in the “not knowing” or the intuitive pull of the “Absolute truth”.

“Absolute Truth” – yes, “Cosmic Wonder” that is …

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Old 29-06-2021, 10:10 PM
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Found these two videos of talks by Tolle, which talk about a similar thing:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qzX4igEOpOY

Interestingly we have got two words for 2 different kinds of knowing as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5RtPmwJQvg

From the reference point of “Oneness” uniqueness’s or differences really do stand out, but in an unconditional love, non-judgemental way …

From the reference point of separate-self-identity … sameness’s are sought to make the separate-self feel more secure.

Sameness’s are also idealized/romanticised as self, or the sameness of our beautiful humanity aiming to become more loving, more non-judgemental, thus more “spiritual”.
This is “Spiritual Materialism” as I understand it.
And hypocritically it already is a judgemental and hierarchical position and not 'equal-in-spirit' or "Oneness".

And this separate-self is always left wanting, desiring more …
“Oneness” leaves nothing more to be desired.

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Old 08-07-2021, 07:36 AM
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I canít control my desires.
How do I let go of my desires? Even grief didnít get rid of them.
I have always really admired the venerable Ajahn Sumedho's discourses on the four noble truths. If you haven't read it I highly recommend it, available free online. It's a very practical approach to suffering and desire.

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Old 08-07-2021, 08:02 AM
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I have always really admired the venerable Ajahn Sumedho's discourses on the four noble truths. If you haven't read it I highly recommend it, available free online. It's a very practical approach to suffering and desire.
It's excellent.
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Old 09-07-2021, 05:13 AM
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"People cannot understand it they misunderstand and think it comes from an ego because they are always interpreting everything from their egos" Ajahn Sumedho

I like it so far though I would have used the phrase "some people" and not "people" like Ajahn did there.
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Old 09-07-2021, 06:51 AM
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I have always really admired the venerable Ajahn Sumedho's discourses on the four noble truths. If you haven't read it I highly recommend it, available free online. It's a very practical approach to suffering and desire.
Thanks for the recommendation, I've only read the first couple of pages so far but it does look very good - the link's below for anyone else who'd like to read it:

http://www.buddhanet.net/pdf_file/4nobltru.pdf
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Old 09-07-2021, 08:53 AM
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How to embrace desire.

The desire to let go of desire is a desire in itself.
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Old 09-07-2021, 11:09 AM
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How to embrace desire.

The desire to let go of desire is a desire in itself.
Buddha never taught that desire are to be gotten rid of. His desires to help others is why we have Buddhism
What He taught is that ' Craving ' desires are what causes Dukha.
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