Recognition vs function

[Unseeking Seeker]

@ Ewwerrin ~ light without contrast is darkness, hence perhaps therefore the inky black void. Of course then, there is God’s light, soft white, self-luminescent and all pervading.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

@ Ewwerrin ~ light without...
... all pervading.

And yet there is contrast in that aswell, otherwise it woulden't be able to extend to what we have here. God is everything. If there is duality here, there is duality with God, for us conscious aware beings. Because our awareness is vibrational and relative, we can never become aware of the aspect of God that is absolute and unaware/non-vibrational/non-relative. That is that infinite all pervadingness of your own awareness attempting to approach God.

There is a video that explains it, but there have been attempts at approaching the absolute with such immense awareness that its intensity would disintegrate most of this universe.

One would have to suck endless universes upon universes and reverse them back into nothingness and then one still would have gone forward in time without realising it, creating another duality. Realising God is also creating another duality. Awareness can never become nondual. Awareness requires self&other and relativity. Including the non self&other that is the opposite to its radiance. And non radiance. Its all a duality. Even the absolute and relative are another duality. Even escaping it you have not escaped it.

All attempts to come closer to the absolute is simply the inability to accept the duality that we are. And those who have accepted it, have absolutely no idea what that duality means and implies, that is why they believe they have accepted it or are capable of doing so. They can only accept it and surrender to it, untill they can't. You cannot accept duality without also accomplishing its opposite. And if you can, there will be another opposite to that aswell.

Infinite likeness and unlikeness on infinite dimensions and none of it have anything to do with the absolute that cannot be known or made aware of. The highest realisation is at best just a dimension above this time and space. And from there, infinite dualities that no one will be able to help them traverse or escape.

Unawareness is also not an escape from duality. There is no one that escapes it and we will always return to duality. We are in essence always for all eternity beings of consciousness and awareness and thus beings of relativity, vibrationality and duality. There are infinite approaches to God and infinite deviations for every approach. The relative and absolute are the same. But if the absolute absolute could be attained, if even the possibility existed, existence would cease to exist before existence can even exist. And there is no room in non existence for existence to be in. Because non existence doesnt exist.

So this has to be it. This has to be nondual. And what this is, is simply a duality. We cannot escape that or transcend it. Even if you do, you will have just created another new duality. If you go up, you also go down. If you go down, you also go up. If you go nowhere, you also go everywhere. If you go everywhere, you also go nowhere. There is no escape. Because we are aware.

There is no explanation as to how the absolute can create awareness. It has never even begun. It's just a duality with no beginning and no end. Like the changing and unchanging. As both being the exact identical and same thing. There is an unchanging change changing into the unchangingness of the ever change. That is not an escape. Its just a duality. You can spend all eternity here and it will still be a duality.

All attempts are like holding your breath. Or trying to escape ones own breath. It's just going from one frequency to another. And since it's still a frequency, it's still a duality. Which means that everything is fake. But that is also not an escape. It is just the realisation that happens at the end of one big cycle beginning a greater cycle. There is no lowest or highest point. IT IS ALL INFINITE DUALITY. There is nothing else. Never has been and never will be. Not for awareness. Awareness can only ever approach the absolute to infinity and the higher they go, the lower they end up being/becoming.

To go infinitely deep and eternally deep/low is not possible. Infinity and eternity have no ending. There is no point where pain/suffering cannot get worse. It doesn't exist. There is no limitation to any of it. So there is no escape from duality. Even staying with it is not possible. Duality implies that one cannot stay with it. It's like trying to prevent a rotting apple from rotting. Completely futile. Its even worse. Staying with duality is like slapping gravity with your hands. When your hands are made out of it. There is not even an appropriate analogy to describe the futile attempts of either trying to escape or stay with duality. It's just rediculous.

[Unseeking Seeker]

@ ewwerrin ~ that’s quite a long post!

I’m not into debates but to discuss, yes, singularity always is, instantly available. Duality requires polarity. Polarities rotate. In the void of cessation, we have a singularity. At every half breath pause, for example, in the gap between thoughts and moving deeper, when thoughts cease altogether.

Lovers holding hands, a beauteous sunset. The subject becomes one with the object. Singularity.

Let’s dig deeper. Becoming the breath of God in-dwelling all forms. Singularity. The phenomena being an appearance. The source (God) is the noumena. What we call existence, is a reflected reality.

Obviously this cannot be debated since it is a recognition by becoming. The analysis is by mind. We have to go beyond mind.

I think I get what your point is. Everything is vibration, a pulse. However, the pulse of bliss, what is it? It is non-dual, an ignition renewal continual and yet felt in duality, in form.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

@ ewwerrin ~...
... felt in duality, in form.

existence is a reflected reality? What language do you most often use?
From english, Non existence doesnt exist. Existence has no opposite, no likeness or unlikeness to it. It is absolute and has no reflection or awareness to it. Awareness exists. Awareness depends on existence. Existence does not depend on awareness. Existence is beyond time and space and vibration. It requires nothing for existence to be existence.

This is the english word existence that I know. But ofcourse everyone uses same word to mean different things. Makes communication nearly impossible.

But do you understand this part and agree with it? Or would you still stay existence is reflected reality? And if so, why?

Reflected realities can exist or not. But existence is the only thing that can never cease to exist. Because there is no non existence. Non existence doesnt exist. Literally. It doesnt exist. That is what non existence means. IT DOES NOT EXIST. THERE IS ONLY EXISTENCE.

But for awareness, pure existence cannot be known. Because pure existence doesnt require awareness to be existence itself. Awareness requires existence to exist. ALL things are subject to existence. ALL things depend on existence.

How can you then say that existence is a reflected reality? How? Can you explain?

Existence does not require a reflected reality to exist. A reflected reality requires EXISTENCE to exist. Not the other way around.

Imagine a mirror that exists. And then there is a reflected reality. And then remove the mirror and there is no reflected reality. When the mirror no longer exists, there is no more refflected reality. Reflected reality requires existence to exist. But existence itself requires nothing to exist. Existence simply is being existence.

Awareness requires a reflected reality to exist. Self and other. subject and object. But existence requires not even awareness nor a reflected reality to exist. Without existence, nothing would exist. Not awareness not nothing. Nothing would exist without existence! How can you have a reflected reality without existence? You cannot! But you can have an existence without reflected reality. A reflected reality is a something. Somethings can come and go. Existence never comes and go. Existence is always existence. It depends on nothing and everything depends on existence.

Does that make sense? Or would you still say that existence is a reflected reality. If so, how?

[Unseeking Seeker]

@ Ewwerrin ~ Consider the dream analogy. We are the dreamer. Who then are the dreamed objects in the dream? Do they have an existence independent of the dreamer? Yet within the dream, it seems real. If questioned, the object in the dream will affirm that it itself is the subject.

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

@ Ewwerrin ~ Consider...
... itself is the subject.

Awareness is the dreamer and the dream. They are all three an illusion. Existence requires no illusion to exist. Illusion requires existence to exist.

So how is existence a reflected reality?

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

@ Ewwerrin ~...
... the subject.

Scary to think that I am the only one here who exists. And all of you are my dream.

It woulden't be scary if I could wake up. But I cannot wake up from this dream. So even tho it is a dream, I'm stuck here with all the dream appearances. If that is what you ment... That this is all a dream.

[Unseeking Seeker]

@ Ewwerrin ~ actually, in my view, you’ve nailed it. The fear we have is an attribute of ego or identity (I generally don’t like using the word ego, since it is interpreted in a variety of ways). The identity relates to mind-body, which we ensoul for earth life experience but which we are not.

The question then is ~ how may the dreamed object awake in the dream? Surely, it is the dreamer who needs to awake?

So … we here, as the object who imagines itself to be the subject, once we are in but not of the world, present in agendaless vibrance, in an aspect of time stretched tranquil equanimity … if and when we be as such, the purpose of dreaming ends. The object and subject become one. The dreamed object, which then no longer is, for it never was, awakes within the dream.

Vaporising lower mind, we yet live on
Here and now, becoming the twice born

[Ewwerrin]

Originally Posted by Unseeking Seeker

@ Ewwerrin ~...
... the twice born[/i]

we are not this body? How are you able to write this if you're still dreaming? That's one hell of a dreamwalk.

If we are not this body, then who are we?

[Unseeking Seeker]

@ Ewwerrin ~ we are not this mind body. Who are we then? We are living light, a soul, in occupation of this form.

How may we know this assertion to be true? Just be still. As long as we’re twirled about by fears & desires, senses externalised, we are, let us say, hypnotised by the environment.