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Old 12-01-2021, 04:09 AM
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Thanks for sharing part of your life.
It is wonderful to have these powerful moments in time come back into our lives.
I have been recently learning greatly from past ceremony and occurrences.
It amazes me how they can still teach.
Your son sounds like a Thunder dreamer.
Here are a few articles from the Nativetimes.
The author talks of Thunder dreamers in the Lakota way.
The Thunder dreamer may also be called a Sacred Clown or Heyoka.
These articles may interest you.

https://www.nativetimes.com/6203-hey...aturals-among-

https://www.nativetimes.com/index.ph...han-his-shadow

Thank you ImthatIm. I will read the articles. It may be time to tell this story to my son.
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Everyone needs healing – the former oppressors and the oppressed alike.
And we all knew how healing gran’s presence was – even he was fully accepted into ‘non-dual oneness’ he himself couldn’t see but.

In a way I deeply miss your Gran and I am so happy that you had a Gran like this
that showed you a way to be in Life.
I am glad you have shared a part of your Life. "Everyone needs healing" is such a true statement.
I have dedicated my Life to self healing through Spirit and helping others heal, that want to come together
and heal in a circle or group. When I first sobered up and discovered a life of healing
through self examination, I could not believe the different person I had become.
Before that I only knew self destruction and creating turmoil.
It was a difference of night and day. Then later, much later did I even consider anything
like nondual and serving a higher purpose.
So I have engrained destructive patterns that are part of my psyche that entered in from
my earliest life through my upbringing. It has been an amazing journey
to heal through Spirit and Life and seeing the whole universe align to
bring about healing. I am amazed daily that I still have Life and opportunity to be simply in AWE of Life.
With the most precious gift to heal some more by discovery and letting go of myself.
So I guess in a way I am envious in a good way of you and your Gran.
So here is a nod to your Gran.
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Old 12-01-2021, 04:21 AM
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I don't know but I always appreciate the history, religion, and cultures of other races. At some point, I thought, we are indeed diverse but all the lines go back into one lineage. Btw, love the images and the meaning behind them.

We all have one world and one Love so we might as well share
and become of one mind and share also in our uniqueness
with gratitude.
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It is just that with all these beautiful images and concepts - one has to acknowledge the potentiality of fake pipe carriers ........
besides; - Does Looking Back Woman Have ‘The’ Sacred Pipe?:
http://www.awarenessmag.com/julaug06...oking_back.htm

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JCJKtQGtnvo

This is not a matter for an outsider to get involved in, but to be aware of.

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I tend to stay out of squabbles these days.

You want me to acknowledge that all kinds of crazy stuff happens in Indian country
in and around Pipe carriers and The Calf Pipe?
Absolutely it does.
People can buy pipes, steal pipes at gun point and all sorts
shortcuts are taken by many.
This world is full of all kinds of people.

I don't know anything about Suzanne Dupree, or her claims.
Watched the vids. of her. Not sure what she is expressing.
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So here is a nod to your Gran.
Ah, but she was such a bitter disappointment to my "Tickets-On-Himself" SJW grandfather to swallow, - who wished to educate her and to groom her to become "somebody", or a person with "important-self-image" about her "indigeousness"... in order to then exploit/use her as a figurehead for his own agenda/gains.

So, his attempts to make her an important personality were as successful as people trying to ride a camel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMC0IK_wFsI

She was no shaman, just an utterly ordinary indig. person coming from a tradition which laughed at ego/self-importance, like you laugh at a camel
- she wasn't going to sell it as "indigenous spirituality".

First things first:
https://media.buzzle.com/media/image...out-camels.jpg

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I tend to stay out of squabbles these days.

You want me to acknowledge that all kinds of crazy stuff happens in Indian country
in and around Pipe carriers and The Calf Pipe?
Absolutely it does.
People can buy pipes, steal pipes at gun point and all sorts
shortcuts are taken by many.
This world is full of all kinds of people.

I don't know anything about Suzanne Dupree, or her claims.
Watched the vids. of her. Not sure what she is expressing.
Not really directed at you ImthatIm, but what you said:

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The Chanunpa Wakan or White Buffalo Calf Pipe is still in the possession
of our Pope like leader. Arvoll Looking Horse

But. IF any of us outsiders to Amerind ways would come to believe in pipe carriers and would for a reason or another become involved, then we would be put in the position of having to face a controversy and having to choose for ourselves who or what presents this spirituality – what doesn’t:
https://jpwade.wordpress.com/2012/06...ing-horse-lie/

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Thanks for sharing part of your life.
It is wonderful to have these powerful moments in time come back into our lives.
I have been recently learning greatly from past ceremony and occurrences.
It amazes me how they can still teach.
Your son sounds like a Thunder dreamer.
Here are a few articles from the Nativetimes.
The author talks of Thunder dreamers in the Lakota way.
The Thunder dreamer may also be called a Sacred Clown or Heyoka.
These articles may interest you.

https://www.nativetimes.com/6203-hey...aturals-among-

https://www.nativetimes.com/index.ph...han-his-shadow

ImthatIm, do you think the Thunder Dreamers are not going extinct, but are actually integrated in society and therefore go unnoticed? Except for the antidotal stories?

I wonder if he grew up on the reservation if elders could help him understand his gifts better? The world is lacking in a way to help you people “know” themselves and embrace their uniqueness.

When He was 10, he had us check out Navajo Language tapes from the library.

He is such an old soul.
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The Chanunpa Wakan or White Buffalo Calf Pipe is still in the possession
of our Pope like leader. Arvoll Looking Horse
Honestly, ImthatIm.

The first time I ever heard of Arvol, was a Lakota person saying he is a fraud.
Since I am not Lakotan, Amerind nor even American I am not entitled to speak for Lakotas, Amerinds nor Americans.

The only thing I can say, is, that there seems to be a division in belief of who the right pipe carrier is, and it is up to Lakotas themselves to sort this out.

Outsiders really should trust their own spirit guidance or their personal link with spirit.

I respect the ways taught by the White Buffalo Calf Woman as I think all those are excellent.

As for the rest, people really need to decide for themselves, whom to trust.

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In our stories - a birth of a white reindeer is a good omen:
https://www.spiritualforums.com/vb/s...66&postcount=2

But our stories really seem to follow the Arctic narrative.
It is the animals themselves that take pity on humans.

A maiden at certain circumstances either meets a bear or a deer & marries him:
https://assets.lily.fi/sites/lily/fi...idenkansa5.jpg

People go hungry and the bear or the deer or the moose etc. decides to give the flesh of his own body to feed them.
But hunters have to do the proper-right ceremonies to finally release the spirit to its heavenly home - to come back again:
https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/i...iZ9OQ&usqp=CAU

The Master of the Forest (or the Sea) decides if there is game to be hunted any particular day and the individual animal decides, whether and when or even if it sacrifices itself to be food for humans.

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Ah, but she was such a bitter disappointment to my "Tickets-On-Himself" SJW grandfather to swallow, - who wished to educate her and to groom her to become "somebody", or a person with "important-self-image" about her "indigeousness"... in order to then exploit/use her as a figurehead for his own agenda/gains.

So, his attempts to make her an important personality were as successful as people trying to ride a camel:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMC0IK_wFsI

She was no shaman, just an utterly ordinary indig. person coming from a tradition which laughed at ego/self-importance, like you laugh at a camel
- she wasn't going to sell it as "indigenous spirituality".

First things first:
https://media.buzzle.com/media/image...out-camels.jpg

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Thanks for the laughs with the camel vid.
I am sure that your Gran had her own medicine that she shared.
You know, they say laughter is the best medicine.
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Not really directed at you ImthatIm, but what you said:



But. IF any of us outsiders to Amerind ways would come to believe in pipe carriers and would for a reason or another become involved, then we would be put in the position of having to face a controversy and having to choose for ourselves who or what presents this spirituality – what doesn’t:
https://jpwade.wordpress.com/2012/06...ing-horse-lie/

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I am at peace with my story of the Calf Pipe keeper.
This is how it was told to me.
Everyone is free to have there own telling of the way they think it is.

The 2 keepers talked of in this thread are free to sort it out.
It does not disrupt anything in me. LOL
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