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10-11-2020, 04:26 PM
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Originally Posted by sky123
Not all Christians believe Jesus is the incarnation of God....
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You mean those that burn their Bibles, believe they themselves are God, and can be atheists?
Central to Christianity are belief in Jesus as the Son of God and salvation through him..
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Credo in Deum Patrem omnipotentem, Creatorem caeli et terrae,
et in Iesum Christum, Filium Eius unicum, Dominum nostrum,
qui conceptus est de Spiritu Sancto, natus ex Maria Virgine,
passus sub Pontio Pilato, crucifixus, mortuus, et sepultus,
descendit ad inferos, tertia die resurrexit a mortuis,
ascendit ad caelos, sedet ad dexteram Dei Patris omnipotentis,
inde venturus est iudicare vivos et mortuos.
Credo in Spiritum Sanctum,
sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam, sanctorum communionem,
remissionem peccatorum,
carnis resurrectionem,
vitam aeternam.
Amen.
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https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostl...h_translations
If there is no central theme or standard of beliefs than anything goes.
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10-11-2020, 04:32 PM
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That's right, in order to call yourself a Christian you must believe in all of the Nicene Creed - made up as the definition in 325 AD...
And we all know the majority is always right esp when stamped by a dictator.
(Maybe I shouldn't have added that.)
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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10-11-2020, 04:40 PM
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Master
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
That's right, in order to call yourself a Christian you must believe in all of the Nicene Creed - made up as the definition in 325 AD...
And we all know the majority is always right esp when stamped by a dictator.
(Maybe I shouldn't have added that.)
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It's not really controversial as it follows from the gospels.
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10-11-2020, 04:48 PM
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Originally Posted by Altair
It's not really controversial as it follows from the gospels.
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"Whatsoever you do to the least among you, you do to me."
"I and my Father are One."
Seems to me Jesus was a non-dualist. 
What happened to his teachings after his death is another story.
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10-11-2020, 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Altair
It's not really controversial as it follows from the gospels.
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Correct.
But, why not say - 'If you believe Jesus' teachings and follow them you can call yourself Christian...''.
As we know Constantine had to settle the civil unrest...did his best.
But, since then there has been NO other definition pronounced - decreed.
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Prepare yourself for the coming astral journey of death by daily riding in the balloon of God-perception.
Through delusion you are perceiving yourself as a bundle of flesh and bones, which at best is a nest of troubles.
Meditate unceasingly, that you may quickly behold yourself as the Infinite Essence, free from every form of misery. ~Paramahansa's Guru's Guru.
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10-11-2020, 05:13 PM
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Originally Posted by sky123
Not all Christians believe Jesus is the incarnation of God....
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Eh. Consider the apostle creed that all Christians are to sigh on to.
It seems to refute you.
Regards
DL
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10-11-2020, 05:14 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
Um, I'm not touchin' that.
I commented on the op...that's as far as I'm willing to go on the Christianity thread. |
I can't blame you for staying away from that stupid Trinity concept.
Regads
DL
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10-11-2020, 05:18 PM
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Originally Posted by Altair
Central to Christianity are belief in Jesus as the Son of God and salvation through him..
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Have you ever looked at the immoral aspects of punishing the innocent instead of the guilty?
On Jesus dying for you. Try to think in a moral way.
It takes quite an inflated ego to think a god would actually die for you, after condemning you unjustly in the first place.
You have swallowed a lie and don’t care how evil you make Jesus to keep your feel good get out of hell free card.
It is a lie, first and foremost because, like it or not, having another innocent person suffer or die for the wrongs you have done, --- so that you might escape responsibility for having done them, --- is immoral. To abdicate your personal responsibility for your actions or use a scapegoat is immoral.
You also have to ignore what Jesus, as a Jewish Rabbi, would have taught his people.
Ezekiel 18:20 The soul that sinneth, it shall die. The son shall not bear the iniquity of the father, neither shall the father bear the iniquity of the son: the righteousness of the righteous shall be upon him, and the wickedness of the wicked shall be upon him.
Deuteronomy 24:16 (ESV) "Fathers shall not be put to death because of their children, nor shall children be put to death because of their fathers. Each one shall be put to death for his own sin.
Psa 49;7 None of them can by any means redeem his brother, nor give to God a ransom for him:
There is no way that you would teach your children to use a scapegoat to escape their just punishments and here you are doing just that.
Jesus is just a smidge less immoral than his demiurge genocidal father, and here you are trying to put him as low in moral fiber as Yahweh.
Regards
DL
P.S. I do not expect a reply as Christians tend to be moral cowards.
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10-11-2020, 05:22 PM
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Originally Posted by Altair
You mean those that burn their Bibles, believe they themselves are God, and can be atheists?
Central to Christianity are belief in Jesus as the Son of God and salvation through him..
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostl...h_translations
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' You mean those that burn their Bibles, believe they themselves are God '
Exactly ...... The ones who go beyond the dogma and find the ' Kingdom ' of God within....
Clear out the clutter to find the space within.
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10-11-2020, 05:24 PM
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Originally Posted by Miss Hepburn
That's right, in order to call yourself a Christian you must believe in all of the Nicene Creed - made up as the definition in 325 AD...
And we all know the majority is always right esp when stamped by a dictator.
(Maybe I shouldn't have added that.)
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Oh yes you should have added that 
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