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Old 17-07-2020, 08:25 AM
marshmallow10 marshmallow10 is offline
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My Universe and Your Universe

I'm trying to understand this oneness thing. I understand how people believe that the universe is one consciousness and each of us are part of this, just experiencing the world from a unique perspective. But that would mean that there is only one actual consciousness, and this doesn't work for me.

I like to use dreaming as my way to understand the universe. Because when you dream everything, from the other people, the trees, the buildings etc is all within you. The character you are in the dream is within your consciousness, as is everything else. Everything is very real in a dream, while you're dreaming and you don't question it at all until you wake up. That makes sense to me, and I believe it's roughly what's going on now , except sleep dreaming is like a step down from this awake dream. But then I get stuck on the other people in my life, and even animals. The other conscious beings.

I've come up with my own ideas. Maybe the idea about multiple universes is correct. Maybe each one of us is our own universe. Maybe the way people talk about parallel universes is just other consciousnesses (people). Could we just attract other people and experiences, or other universes into our lives depending on our own state of mind, or frequency at the time?

Is it like atoms? You know how certain atoms are attracted to each other and share their electrons to bond together? And others are repelled? Maybe each consciousness (person, universe) is like that in a much more complicated way. You know how you say, this person is in my orbit? We share experiences (electrons) with others for a period of time.

This could explain why we tend to attract the same types of people and experiences over and over until we change our own state of mind. But then I wonder, if it was this way, and each living being is their own "universe dream", then there must be something beyond the universe. And that just gets crazy because we couldn't ever imagine that.

Anyway, any thoughts or other ideas? I'd be interested to hear what other people think about this subject.
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Old 17-07-2020, 11:06 AM
Iamit Iamit is offline
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Originally Posted by marshmallow10
I'm trying to understand this oneness thing. I understand how people believe that the universe is one consciousness and each of us are part of this, just experiencing the world from a unique perspective. But that would mean that there is only one actual consciousness, and this doesn't work for me.

I like to use dreaming as my way to understand the universe. Because when you dream everything, from the other people, the trees, the buildings etc is all within you. The character you are in the dream is within your consciousness, as is everything else. Everything is very real in a dream, while you're dreaming and you don't question it at all until you wake up. That makes sense to me, and I believe it's roughly what's going on now , except sleep dreaming is like a step down from this awake dream. But then I get stuck on the other people in my life, and even animals. The other conscious beings.

I've come up with my own ideas. Maybe the idea about multiple universes is correct. Maybe each one of us is our own universe. Maybe the way people talk about parallel universes is just other consciousnesses (people). Could we just attract other people and experiences, or other universes into our lives depending on our own state of mind, or frequency at the time?

Is it like atoms? You know how certain atoms are attracted to each other and share their electrons to bond together? And others are repelled? Maybe each consciousness (person, universe) is like that in a much more complicated way. You know how you say, this person is in my orbit? We share experiences (electrons) with others for a period of time.

This could explain why we tend to attract the same types of people and experiences over and over until we change our own state of mind. But then I wonder, if it was this way, and each living being is their own "universe dream", then there must be something beyond the universe. And that just gets crazy because we couldn't ever imagine that.

Anyway, any thoughts or other ideas? I'd be interested to hear what other people think about this subject.

From a nondual perspective, Oneness is the only reality, and the many solid looking things we see around us, including ourselves, are merely a manifested appearance of difference where there is no difference whatsoever.

If this resonates, the point is to achieve a realization that we are already what we seek.
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Old 18-07-2020, 01:21 PM
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Non-duality is just an eastern concept and do to many different reasons like false memory syndrome/ herd mentality/ indoctrination/ tech it has become popular again during this new age movement.
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Old 21-08-2020, 10:32 AM
Tianna-Fae Tianna-Fae is offline
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Originally Posted by marshmallow10
I'm trying to understand this oneness thing. I understand how people believe that the universe is one consciousness and each of us are part of this, just experiencing the world from a unique perspective. But that would mean that there is only one actual consciousness, and this doesn't work for me.
I use a fish tank of water as a practical way of visualising and demonstrating the process of the individuation of consciousness while retaining its essential unity, and I'll try to describe it here.

Imagine a large tank of water, to keep it in easily visualised terms. This water represents pure Consciousness in its essential form.

Take a clear plastic cup or glass and dip it in the water until it is nearly full, then float it on the surface of the water in the tank. The cup or glass loosely represents your physical body and / or mind, which separates your consciousness (in the glass) form the consciousness in the tank.

In this state, the cup/glass represents the newborn state. The consciousness in the glass is separated from the Universal consciousness by a thin physical barrier. The individual consciousness in the glass has very little, or no, awareness of the greater consciousness outside of itself. Indeed, in this state, it might even deny the existence of any consciousness outside of itself.

Drip a small amount of ink or food colouring into the water in the glass. This ink or food colouring represents your individual life-experience, which colours your individual consciousness.

Finally, gently tip the glass, emptying it slowly back into the tank, and then safely dispose of the cup/glass. The coloured water will remain in a cloudy state, retaining its colouring/experience, before eventually merging back into the whole. Emptying the coloured glass into the tank represents the death of the physical body; the removal of the physical barrier between the Individual Consciousness and the Universal Consciousness. The individual life experience merges once more with the whole.

I hope this small visualisation helps you understand it a bit better.
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Old 21-08-2020, 09:02 PM
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Originally Posted by marshmallow10
I'm trying to understand this oneness thing. I understand how people believe that the universe is one consciousness and each of us are part of this, just experiencing the world from a unique perspective. But that would mean that there is only one actual consciousness, and this doesn't work for me.

I've come up with my own ideas. Maybe the idea about multiple universes is correct. Maybe each one of us is our own universe. Maybe the way people talk about parallel universes is just other consciousnesses (people). Could we just attract other people and experiences, or other universes into our lives depending on our own state of mind, or frequency at the time?

This could explain why we tend to attract the same types of people and experiences over and over until we change our own state of mind. But then I wonder, if it was this way, and each living being is their own "universe dream", then there must be something beyond the universe. And that just gets crazy because we couldn't ever imagine that.

Anyway, any thoughts or other ideas? I'd be interested to hear what other people think about this subject.

Or a more simple approach is that we are each having our own subjective experience in a shared objective reality. So our physical environment is the backdrop to all our experiences.

Each one of us can only experience our own conscious awareness of things. This will include other living beings who have their own conscious awareness, but we can only experience them as shapes and colours and sounds and vibrations, which we then interpret as an individual who is communicating with us. But each one of us is actually alone within our consciousness.

And if we are ignorant of the nature of our own Being then we see our physical environment and these other people as being separate from ourselves. When we identify with our own Being we see that same Being as pervading all that enters our conscious awareness. And there is just Oneness everywhere.

Peace
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Old 21-08-2020, 09:19 PM
inavalan inavalan is offline
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Interesting opening post and replies! I subscribed. Thanks.
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Old 22-08-2020, 10:14 AM
HITESH SHAH HITESH SHAH is offline
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Thumbs up nice visualization

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Originally Posted by Tianna-Fae
I use a fish tank of water as a practical way of visualising and demonstrating the process of the individuation of consciousness while retaining its essential unity, and I'll try to describe it here.

Imagine a large tank of water, to keep it in easily visualised terms. This water represents pure Consciousness in its essential form.

Take a clear plastic cup or glass and dip it in the water until it is nearly full, then float it on the surface of the water in the tank. The cup or glass loosely represents your physical body and / or mind, which separates your consciousness (in the glass) form the consciousness in the tank.

In this state, the cup/glass represents the newborn state. The consciousness in the glass is separated from the Universal consciousness by a thin physical barrier. The individual consciousness in the glass has very little, or no, awareness of the greater consciousness outside of itself. Indeed, in this state, it might even deny the existence of any consciousness outside of itself.

Drip a small amount of ink or food colouring into the water in the glass. This ink or food colouring represents your individual life-experience, which colours your individual consciousness.

Finally, gently tip the glass, emptying it slowly back into the tank, and then safely dispose of the cup/glass. The coloured water will remain in a cloudy state, retaining its colouring/experience, before eventually merging back into the whole. Emptying the coloured glass into the tank represents the death of the physical body; the removal of the physical barrier between the Individual Consciousness and the Universal Consciousness. The individual life experience merges once more with the whole.

I hope this small visualisation helps you understand it a bit better.
Very good nice visualization and explanation .
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Old 22-08-2020, 02:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Tianna-Fae
I use a fish tank of water as a practical way of visualising and demonstrating the process of the individuation of consciousness while retaining its essential unity, and I'll try to describe it here.

Imagine a large tank of water, to keep it in easily visualised terms. This water represents pure Consciousness in its essential form.

Take a clear plastic cup or glass and dip it in the water until it is nearly full, then float it on the surface of the water in the tank. The cup or glass loosely represents your physical body and / or mind, which separates your consciousness (in the glass) form the consciousness in the tank.

In this state, the cup/glass represents the newborn state. The consciousness in the glass is separated from the Universal consciousness by a thin physical barrier. The individual consciousness in the glass has very little, or no, awareness of the greater consciousness outside of itself. Indeed, in this state, it might even deny the existence of any consciousness outside of itself.

Drip a small amount of ink or food colouring into the water in the glass. This ink or food colouring represents your individual life-experience, which colours your individual consciousness.

Finally, gently tip the glass, emptying it slowly back into the tank, and then safely dispose of the cup/glass. The coloured water will remain in a cloudy state, retaining its colouring/experience, before eventually merging back into the whole. Emptying the coloured glass into the tank represents the death of the physical body; the removal of the physical barrier between the Individual Consciousness and the Universal Consciousness. The individual life experience merges once more with the whole.

I hope this small visualisation helps you understand it a bit better.

Really like this too

Thanks
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Old 23-08-2020, 11:34 AM
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Interesting thread.

Here is a little something for intermission.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5FELdBsixGg
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Old 23-08-2020, 01:48 PM
HITESH SHAH HITESH SHAH is offline
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Thumbs up nice one

hi Kerrtz ,
Nice intermission .We the same eternal (or part there of to be precise) having finite form and deadline having different experiences
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