Meditation, some answers

[pixiedust]

@Post 65 zinna

I think that there are a lot of incongruencies and inconsistencies with genuine spiritual teachings. No disrespect but why not teach when you have mastered, and not before? It would be odd to not help don't you think?

[BigJohn]

Who can say who has and who hasn't mastered spiritual teachings?

[BigJohn]

What Sanjay has written, is very interesting and informative.

[Miss Hepburn]

Shortcuts are like going to a great city ...Paris, NYC, Hong Kong.
-You may have been there before...again past life reference
-You have a guide waiting for you at the airport, teaching you streets not to waste time going down..
-or you have lots of money, (a metaphor for accrued favors from past lives)

Hard work is an ingrained idea from OT teachings that man must toil.
Yet, one sentence to Jesus and a criminal would be in Paradise. See?
A paper chain can be broken in an instant.

This is not to dismiss the usual effort of hours upon hours upon hours of deep meditation.
Preparation is very, very valuable.
I'm just saying there are exceptions.* That's all.
zinnat is doing just fine.


* And that is me saying that that has sat for 3- 6 hrs a sitting many times for 48 yrs now.
In an instant of grace one could reach heights I have by being in a stillness most can not imagine.
I recognize instant transformative spiritual experiences coming to what appear to me:
to have been idiots! (And thank God)

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

First of all, I loved your post.

For your information, there is a book (Quantum Questions edited by Ken Wilber) which contains the "mystical" writings of the quantum physicists ... including but not limited to Planck, Einstein, Schroedinger, Eddington, DeBroglie, etc. They support the same point that you made in your post.

Thanks, Still_Waters. I will keep an eye out for that book. Perhaps one day scientists and mystics will complement each other.

Peace

[Miss Hepburn]

Btw, if by 'shortcuts'...someone was thinking psychedelics or even
reading lots of books...
then, yes, I would also say ...these are not shortcuts.

[pixiedust]

Hard work is part of the way too.

[Unseeking Seeker]

Whilst endorsing post 65 specially (the entire presentation is great), discounting what angels and others not in human form can or cannot do, the key is that consciousness* (*I’m not changing the terms already employed) is actively cognisant of either lower or higher mind or let us say soul (subconscious) mind or this here conscious mind, at any one instant in linear time.

This implies, partial awareness owing to partitions within ourself. Why are these partitions or blockages there? Stagnation amidst fleeting objects to which the mind body entity is attached.

During meditation, wherein conscious mind rests, initially, latent memories or subconscious (soul) impressions manifest. If we choose to remain still, they too fall away. Awareness (consciousness) alone remains, in innate vibrancy of aliveness, one with oneness.

The recognition of this structure of our constitution is alright to start with. However, all three aspects being one, it is then the assimilation of this knowing, through surrender and acceptance, until boundaries blur, that transmutes mind body into an ever present meditative state of emptiness, throbbing with bliss in fullness.

Bliss may be taken as a rainbow within. When all internal polarities of our senses dance together, in rhythm with the pulse of Gods love, it is bliss in completeness. (Even a whiff is enough to transfix us in swoon of rapture in permanence)

Originally Posted by pixiedust

a GENUINE teacher can work some miracles too..

That is true but as you rightly pointed out the word genuine. And, i as i understand, they are very difficult to find out now days. There are not many. It is a very rare and dying breed.

with love,
sanjay

Originally Posted by BigJohn

What Sanjay has written, is very interesting and informative.

Thanks.

with love,
sanjay