Encouragement to Stay on The Way.

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

Do you differentiate in any way between Jesus and "the Christ"? What is your understanding of "Christ as the reality" ?

Originally Posted by davidmartin

still, no they're the same really I believe, there are differences but they are one in the end. there's only one Christ but many individuals and that sort of thing
I just think Christ is an experience of God so a kind of reality

I agree that "Christ is an experience of God so a kind of reality" and that there are indeed individuals who are "one and the same as the Father but the Father is greater". Ultimately, as you duly noted, "they are one in the end". (I often use the term "Christ consciousness" or "God consciousness".)

However, I am not sure if I am interpreting your post correctly or whether I am reading some of my own understandings into what you wrote.

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

Although your post was directed towards some one else, it did raise a question with me.

Do you differentiate in any way between Jesus and "the Christ"? What is your understanding of "Christ as the reality" ?

Christ means anointed one. There were others besides Jesus who were anointed ones (Christ).

Then there is the expressions "Jesus Christ" and Christ Jesus"....

Those expressions can be looked at like Almighty LORD (Elohim Yahweh) and LORD Almighty (Yahweh Elohim).

[davidmartin]

Originally Posted by Still_Waters

I agree that "Christ is an experience of God so a kind of reality" and that there are indeed individuals who are "one and the same as the Father but the Father is greater". Ultimately, as you duly noted, "they are one in the end". (I often use the term "Christ consciousness" or "God consciousness".)

However, I am not sure if I am interpreting your post correctly or whether I am reading some of my own understandings into what you wrote.

I find it a bit difficult to articulate it!
because I've found context comes into it. 'Jesus' can mean the earthly person, or the present experience. 'Christ' tends more often to mean the latter but not always. Jesus really appears as a role model for all humans often. I find it easier to think of them as one and less confusing
i'm not a fan of term like 'God consciousness' on reflection because it limits just to consciousness not all the rest of the self so seems a bit like something is missing to me. I know its popular though!

Yes I do believe others were 'Christs' but Christianity was based around one particular one. I believe many in the broader 'Christ'-ian tent thought Christ was spiritual and not based around a particular human, but this one person's followers really thought he was the messiah and God they wanted to keep the human individual as their leader for all time. So you can be 'Christian' I guess in a broader sense, or narrower in the one earthly incarnation called 'Jesus' although I doubt that was his birth name, it stuck and all the others were forgotten

[sky]

Originally Posted by davidmartin

I find it a bit difficult to articulate it!
because I've found context comes into it. 'Jesus' can mean the earthly person, or the present experience. 'Christ' tends more often to mean the latter but not always. Jesus really appears as a role model for all humans often. I find it easier to think of them as one and less confusing
i'm not a fan of term like 'God consciousness' on reflection because it limits just to consciousness not all the rest of the self so seems a bit like something is missing to me. I know its popular though!

Yes I do believe others were 'Christs' but Christianity was based around one particular one. I believe many in the broader 'Christ'-ian tent thought Christ was spiritual and not based around a particular human, but this one person's followers really thought he was the messiah and God they wanted to keep the human individual as their leader for all time. So you can be 'Christian' I guess in a broader sense, or narrower in the one earthly incarnation called 'Jesus' although I doubt that was his birth name, it stuck and all the others were forgotten

' im not a fan of term like 'God consciousness' on reflection because it limits just to consciousness not all the rest of the self '

What is the rest of the self DM?

[sky]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Christ means anointed one. There were others besides Jesus who were anointed ones (Christ).

Then there is the expressions "Jesus Christ" and Christ Jesus"....

Those expressions can be looked at like Almighty LORD (Elohim Yahweh) and LORD Almighty (Yahweh Elohim).

All these labels are enough to give me to give me a Holy Migraine

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

All these labels are enough to give me to give me a Holy Headache!

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[davidmartin]

Originally Posted by sky123

' im not a fan of term like 'God consciousness' on reflection because it limits just to consciousness not all the rest of the self '

What is the rest of the self DM?

The spirit body sky
Consciousness only resides in the mind part of the overall spirit body
You might as well say 'God mindedness' or 'God intellect' or similar
So, what is the problem with this?
The true mind in Jewish thought is in the heart, whereas the mind itself is just a processor of information compared to it
So by ignoring the heart, 'God consciousness' is neutering the whole spirit body experience, which includes other areas too - how would you just like to be a disembodied head?
That's what God consciousness is - just the head. its a low quality product
Compared to full body consciousness pfffft no comparison

[sky]

Originally Posted by davidmartin

The spirit body sky
Consciousness only resides in the mind part of the overall spirit body
You might as well say 'God mindedness' or 'God intellect' or similar
So, what is the problem with this?
The true mind in Jewish thought is in the heart, whereas the mind itself is just a processor of information compared to it
So by ignoring the heart, 'God consciousness' is neutering the whole spirit body experience, which includes other areas too - how would you just like to be a disembodied head?
That's what God consciousness is - just the head. its a low quality product
Compared to full body consciousness pfffft no comparison

I didn't say there was a problem, did I ?
I have never heard of a spirit body but that's OK

[BigJohn]

Originally Posted by sky123

I didn't say there was a problem, did I ?
I have never heard of a spirit body but that's OK

You never heard of a group, or a body of spirits?

[Still_Waters]

Originally Posted by BigJohn

Christ means anointed one. There were others besides Jesus who were anointed ones (Christ).

I wasn't going to go there, but I'm glad that you did.

I agree !