Who's to say loving is right and harming is wrong?

[charly233]

Originally Posted by sky

"Radiate boundless love towards the entire universe".

Thanks for the quote. Very nice. It says it all.

Originally Posted by sky

I presume you haven't read Buddha's Teachings on 'Loving Others'...
"Radiate boundless love towards the entire universe". The Buddha.... One of many teachings on loving others.

If one is Desireless, Love automatically flows. It doesn't need to be cultivated.

What Buddha says is to cut/smash all desires, and so "Radiate Boundless Love Towards the Entire Universe". Without ending one's desires, Loving Others cannot be Holistic/Boundless.

Like Saurab asked me in previous post, "When Some keep on speaking Bad words upon you, what to do?". A person who has even little desires, long for Love to stay away from that person and accomplish his desire. But, a Desireless person, has nothing of his own to do, so just sharing Love to Everyone Boundless and none other.

The Goal, is not Loving Others, but to be desireless and to face whatever comes upon, and then Love will flow for sure as an effect. But in Shunyata/Brahman perspective, it's not that too, as no 'other' is there to love in Actuality. Nirvana is the importance, Love is the effect of it's Attainment. Love is not a way for Nirvana, but effect. Without Nirvana, No Boundless Love.

[sky]

Originally Posted by charly233

Thanks for the quote. Very nice. It says it all.

Your welcome Charly, it's very short and precise. It's obviously a 'Wholesome Desire

Originally Posted by sky

It's obviously a 'Wholesome Desire

One side there is Tiger, Other side a Bear. Both are Hungry and Fond of Meat.

What is the best action in the above situation?
- Half of one's body to Tiger and Another Half of body to a Bear?
- Run Away for Life?
- Make those two to fight each other ?
- Try to Stop their Hunger and fight?

To me, a desireless action, is to cut one's body and give them to both if both needs my body (and if no Mother/Father/Brother/Spouse/Children is dependent or as King to people. If they are dependant, then they need me to take care of them, so to fight these animals only for their need/sake or if I am a King then to feed them with the body of thieves/Psychotic humans who are bad for the society and never try to be good by giving any chance. If No one is dependant on me, then no running away from them but just satisfy their needs.)

What about the action out of Wholesome Desire?

[FairyCrystal]

Originally Posted by Uma

Yes Miss Hepburn So far nobody has mentioned the word karma, what goes around comes around. That in itself is a good reason to try to avoid creating harm (unless one is masochistic).

When I run to help my neighbour who has fallen, my feet crush the grass beneath me.

When you're living to avoid karma you're not living from the Heart but the head.

On top of that, we were granted instant karma so we don't have to deal with it in next incarnation anymore.
Now I do suppose this mostly goes when you're further down the road so to speak in your development as a Soul so you are ready for this.
And it will likely also not go for the ones that chose to stay in 3D and not move up to 5D. This is a smaller group whose purpose of incarnating now is to experience and live the 3D. This group will not ascend with the larger group that has a different purpose.

But in any case, I've never worried or concerned myself with Karma. That would only create subconscious stress & anxiety, possibly even self-doubt.

It could function as an inspiration to live from the Heart but then you likely already do that.
In all other cases -which would be most people- it would keep you out of the Heart and into the head and potential concern, stress etc.

Just my two cents. I never got why people put so much on a concept they've read or heard about.

[iamthat]

Originally Posted by FairyCrystal

When you're living to avoid karma you're not living from the Heart but the head. ... I never got why people put so much on a concept they've read or heard about.

It could be said that most of these discussions are based on concepts we have read or heard about.

The idea of karma is a useful explanation for much of human experience, but how many of us really base our actions around karma? An act of kindness usually comes from an inner impulse rather than a calculated desire to create good karma or avoid bad karma.

And the idea of moving from 3D to 5D is also just another concept which people have read or heard about. There are various interpretations of what it means to move from 3D to 5D. While it may be a popular theme in certain New Age circles, for most of us life just continues as normal. We may raise our consciousness or elevate our vibrations but we continue to function in the same old 3D world and we have to deal with the limitations of this 3D world.

Peace

[sky]

[quote=O K Viswanata

What about the action out of Wholesome Desire?[/QUOTE]

It has to be 'Wholesome' . If the state of mind is wholesome the actions cannot be unwholesome. Imo.....

Originally Posted by sky

It has to be 'Wholesome' . If the state of mind is wholesome the actions cannot be unwholesome. Imo.....

True.
Mind cannot be in a state of "Wholesome", if there is a Desire or based on Desire.

Consciousness = Wholesome Mind
Desire = Partial Mind

[charly233]

Originally Posted by O K Viswanath

Mind cannot be in a state of "Wholesome", if there is a Desire or based on Desire.

Surely desire is not always unwholesome or bad. It depends on the desire. Some desires are good. The desire for love and happiness for example, is, for me, a worthy and admirable desire.

Originally Posted by charly233

Surely desire is not always unwholesome or bad. It depends on the desire. Some desires are good. The desire for love and happiness for example, is, for me, a worthy and admirable desire.

First of all, Unwholesome is not a good/bad thing. Please, end up this mind set that "If one is asked to be wise, it doesn't mean being a Fool is a Bad thing".

Good? In what sense? From what you desire happiness is the important thing. If the Desire is to be Wholesome, sure, it is wise. But, if desire of happiness is upon Tree/Limitations but not remaining as Seed, then it is not wise - end up in sufferings. That's why it is said, seek Wholesome.

If Partial/Unwholesome Mind seeks/desires happiness only from Wholesome Mind but not from any limitations, then it is Wise. One day, Partial Mind becomes/realizes it's True Nature of Wholesome Mind, and so the Partial Mind's Desire of Wholesome Mind comes to a True End. Not like the desire of Happiness from limitations, unending.