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Old 05-12-2022, 05:10 PM
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I understand loving others, recognizing one is not separate. However, isn't doing this assuming loving is right and harming is wrong? What am I missing?
Well, a person whom loves all things unconditionally will never harm what the person loves unconditionally.

Now, a person whom loves something or someone with conditions attached, will harm that something or someone because of the conditions attached to the love. The conditions attached to the love can turn the love into hate, fear, etc etc
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Old 05-12-2022, 06:07 PM
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I also get why this is in Non-duality now.
Hey this is my chance to tell one of my famous stories!!!!

SO, A student is walking with his master.
"Master? Why is it the good man of the village just got robbed.
And bad man of the Village just found 5 gold coins?!"

"Ah, not is all what it seems.
The good man lived terrible past lives and was meant to be stabbed, robbed, stripped, hung upside down from that tree!
But, because he has lead a holy life..he only was robbed."

''The 'bad man' lead wonderful past lives and was meant to find a chest of gold under that tree...but alas,
he has lead a bad life and just found 5 gold coins."
"Not all is what it seems."


Love/ harm, up/down

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(And how how I was shown this one Saturday morning suddenly in a Vision that took me to the In-between Place
where we are before we incarnate again...often misunderstood as Heaven, ah, no.)

Nothing is what it seems. One reason we mustn't judge...because we have no idea what is being played out.
Good time to suggest Rob Schwartz books.
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Old 06-12-2022, 12:53 PM
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Yes Miss Hepburn So far nobody has mentioned the word karma, what goes around comes around. That in itself is a good reason to try to avoid creating harm (unless one is masochistic).

When I run to help my neighbour who has fallen, my feet crush the grass beneath me.
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Old 06-12-2022, 09:54 PM
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People have a disconnect between what happens and suffering because what's happening is 'out there' and suffering is 'in here'. We have to understand suffering not as caused by extraneous events, but how it is generated from within. Bad stuff happens, the worst of the worst, and it doesn't mean it's your kamma or LOA etc. That's not really how it works.

It's not well understood that kamma is only the volition that you are exerting right now, and the nature of your volition depends entirely on how you react to your real-lived-experience. Therein is the cause of suffering...
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Old 10-12-2022, 06:20 AM
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Love that story Miss H. Brilliant!

Thatís a good example of how I seem to SEE deeper into a situation and look at it differently to most other people.

I give up socialising now cos itís just too frustrating for me (apart from the 3 friends I have) and a bit of small talk with neighbours.

Iím not saying I am better than anyone else, cos Iím not. Just different in my observations.

Iím so glad you posted that, cos it made me feel much better.
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Old 11-12-2022, 12:22 AM
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I understand loving others, recognizing one is not separate. However, isn't doing this assuming loving is right and harming is wrong? What am I missing?
True emotions are infinite and eternal. You cannot escape energy in motion, by replacing it with a word and idea.
Religions offer words to prepare people for the real world. In the real world words have no meaning or weight. And the world is energy. And it has no weight. And so words are most powerful.

These paradoxes occur when intelligence fails.

And when complications even cannot be resolved by emotions? It paradoxically changes everything. Even the emotions. Even the reality.

You always have everything and simultaneously miss everything. You are everything, but only by vibrational source. And the result is beyond all of us forever. Meaning we have nothing untill it comes to us. Strange if you ask me. Too much blabla to explain all of it and too useless to know any of it.
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Old 11-12-2022, 11:31 AM
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I understand loving others, recognizing one is not separate. However, isn't doing this assuming loving is right and harming is wrong? What am I missing?

Hello.
Thanks for bringing it up.

That's why in Non-duality based Hindu or "No view" based Buddhist scriptures, don't preach this "Love others" childish things.

If you are a child, it's very much applicable. But, if you want to dive deep into the waters and not interested in waves, then no deep scriptures preach those childish stuffs. Krishna advices Arjuna to harm those who harms. Jesus harms Satan by fighting it for the people. If Jesus loves Satan or Rama loves Ravana, why did they harm them? Every actions has it's place.

In Truth, No one is harmed, only their desires are harmed. People consider that body and mind as 'themselves', and feel like they are harmed. And so, all insightful deep scriptures preach to detach oneself from body,mind. You are spirit/soul/none, but not body-mind. Every harm is done only to desires and the prison(body), but not to soul/spirit/nothing.
Less-thinking persons won't understand this deep knowledge, so it is preached to love others. If you want to be stuck in Loving 'others', it's also welcome in this 'free' world.

If God Loves everyone, why let the Adharma emerge from the seed? Why not destroy them before germination? Why harmers are let free by God in this "Wonderful" Place?

This world is only a Park to fulfill our wishes, but not an Eternal Peaceful Place, nor the Garden of Eden/Swarga an Eternal Peaceful Abode. Peace is not there in world, but in Oneself. One is the Embodiment of Eternal Peace, but not in what imagined/created/manifested/appeared/dreamt.
No thing can bring Fulfilment/Satisfaction to oneself. Even Loving others, cannot bring Peace/Fulfilment, but just sorrow remains and die like Jiddu Krishnamurti.

Nothing is real in this world, and only a Game show, nothing to be joyful/loving/harming. Do you feel sorry/suffer when a fighter fights someone in a movie? But, it's not a joyful stuff like watching a movie, either.

It's simply worthless to think about this world or seeing any wonder even spending one second in our 3,786,912,000 seconds of sensitivity here, but looks fully worthy when having much desires to fulfil foolishly thinking that it can bring fulfilment. And so, dwell in thought of God/oneself, feeling of fulfilment is in every second, never decreases, and then the body-mind do whatever is required to be done, no act will affect one. No need to go to Himalayas or Mountains, let the body-mind do whatever, but I assure you that when Peace is felt, no action be questionable by Wise Men. Let the foolish question you and even kill you like they killed Jesus Christ, they are ignorant. There is no need of loving or hating here.

It's not that one has to love *Name deleted* like One's Mom/Dad, but to not spend any second of thought upon this world or whatever actions happen, and be Peaceful.

When One doesn't require Peace/Fulfilment, but only "Wonder, Oh My God, Sensational, Amazing, Magnificent, Mind-boggling, Beauty, Excellence, etc.,", then this is the right place for that and Loving others is really necessary for those experiences desired, but be aware that God don't preach this to deep insightful persons but only to those who are ignorant. Sages/Monks/Prophets/Son/Messenger/etc., always ask to reach God/Truth and be with Him always (to be a Buddha in Buddhism), as he is the Only Truth. If you dwell in God, automatically Neighbours/everyone will be felt like God, Body-Mind will be Purified, no doubt arises. Never think any stuff about any action in the world, but only Inquiring/questioning/thinking/etc. about God, like the Brahmanas,Monks,Priests,Buddhas,etc., do. One cannot provide Pure Satisfaction to others by fulfilling any of their wishes, but dwell in God and the body-mind will do whatever they wish like an Emotionless Thoughtless ROBOT - nothing to be sacrificed/received and to be suffered/joyful from every actions. Even if the world becomes Peaceful, People will never be satisfied. They are the God for themselves, no one is a God/Messenger/Transformer of Others. They will understand, not by the Avatars/Prophets/Son/Roadside Monks, but only by their own Mumukshutva (intense desire to know the Truth).

You have the option to choose, to be ignorant/fool or knowing Truth, to think upon any action of the world or never give any damn about it and dwell in GOD and let the body-mind be a vehicle for the Godly actions. Everyone has that choice, and so life is there. God doesn't want everyone to enjoy his creations or be wonderful and seek any of those things. Be Wise and seek God, that's what the only thing God Wants from you if he needs anything.

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Old 13-12-2022, 07:40 AM
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That's why in Non-duality based Hindu or "No view" based Buddhist scriptures, don't preach this "Love others" childish things.

Forget about Hinduism, Buddhism, Buddhist scriptures and non duality, and consider what would happen if I started abusing you day and night for the next 40 years constantly in your ears or if you weredemon possessed and he started uttering harsh words to you day and night, and if you heard no loving or affectionate words, then how would you feel ? Wouldnt you long for love ?

So love is something natural like the plant turning towards the sun. All these scriptures are just concepts including nonduality.
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Old 13-12-2022, 08:16 AM
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Forget about Hinduism, Buddhism, Buddhist scriptures and non duality, and consider what would happen if I started abusing you day and night for the next 40 years constantly in your ears or if you weredemon possessed and he started uttering harsh words to you day and night, and if you heard no loving or affectionate words, then how would you feel ? Wouldnt you long for love ?

So love is something natural like the plant turning towards the sun. All these scriptures are just concepts including nonduality.

Not long for love. I show what is love to him. 40 years or 400 years, never matter. I will keep on showing the effects of his actions without being affected, but also at the same time let him be free to do/choose any action. One day he will understand, but sorry for the pain he would go through by that action. I will try my best for him to not to go through pain by pointing out his action, but everything is Upto him.

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Old 13-12-2022, 08:37 AM
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Hello.
Thanks for bringing it up.

That's why in Non-duality based Hindu or "No view" based Buddhist scriptures, don't preach this "Love others" childish things.

I presume you haven't read Buddha's Teachings on 'Loving Others'...
"Radiate boundless love towards the entire universe". The Buddha.... One of many teachings on loving others.
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