Indigenous Spirit of All colors

Originally Posted by BigJohn

I noticed the discussion on Mounds. I have visited several in Indiana just east of Indianapolis.

Wow, I imagine the Mounds stick out in Indiana since it is so flat.

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Ireland … from the beginning ….

Hunter-gatherer population in Ireland starts 8000BC and allegedly this population was 3000 to 10000 strong in the whole island.
The latest dna analyses tells us that they had come from Gravettian culture in Italy rather than Solutrean culture in Spain: https://i.pinimg.com/originals/79/93...ce52943be7.jpg

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

The Cygnus enigma
https://mythicalireland.com/astronom...cygnus-enigma/

The Cygnus Enigma of Newgrange:
"Deneb, the bright tail star of the swan constellation Cygnus has been associated through various lines of investigation with the Newgrange mound. This bright star, the main star of Cygnus, must have been a beacon of light in the dark northern skies of the Neolithic".

Did I get this right?
"Oengus a mythical chieftain of the Tuatha Dé Danann, who were the principal race of the otherworld – the gods – in ancient Irish mythology. Oengus fell madly in love with a maiden Caer who visited him while he slept. Caer went in the forms of a swan and a girl on alternate years. "

Newgrange 'God-Kings':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUHV-H8OVrg

https://www.claddaghrings.com/newgrange-passage-tomb-ireland/

Little is known about who built Newgrange. Certainly it was not built by the Celts, as the Celtic tribes did not come to Ireland until about 500BC, some 2,700 years later!

So, no link there, but one can link Celts to Scythians it seems ….

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Far out … What an important history, such sophisticated war machinery, the finest of the fine weapons of those elite warriors!
The Celts:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zA-itb5NwDU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KGI6gud8MUo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MhkuLeobhXo

"All of the men from Irish passage grave burials sequenced (ranging in age from 4793 to 2910 BC) are members of haplogroup I (except two who are Y haplogroup H).
Passage grave remains point decisively towards a population replacement – with haplogroup R males replacing the previous inhabitants of both Europe and the British Isles".

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No wonder people don’t seem to know or cannot imagine nor comprehend that hunter-gatherers ever even existed in Europe.

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Meanwhile in our neck of the woods, (the last of the European hunter-gatherers having been pushed up North):
Cornelius Tacitus 98 A.D.
"The archaeological evidence suggests that the proto-Sami and Proto-Finns had a lifestyle akin to Tacitus' description".
The tipi-like tents and earthen huts were used into the twentieth century:
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikiped...mily_1870s.jpg

In wonderful savageness live the nation of the Fenni, and in beastly poverty, destitute of arms, of horses, and of homes; their food, the common herbs; their apparel, skins; their bed, the earth; their only hope in their arrows, which for want of iron they point with bones. Their common support they have from the chase, women as well as men; for with these the former wander up and down, and crave a portion of the prey. Nor other shelter have they even for their babes, against the violence of tempests and ravening beasts, than to cover them with the branches of trees twisted together; this a reception for the old men, and hither resort the young. Such a condition they judge more happy than the painful occupation of cultivating the ground, than the labour of rearing houses, than the agitations of hope and fear attending the defence of their own property or the seizing that of others. Secure against the designs of men, secure against the malignity of the Gods, they have accomplished a thing of infinite difficulty; that to them nothing remains even to be wished

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^ Apart from Mr. Oliver - another presenter, a video blogger I personally do like …
A Book Review about the similarities of Siberian, Indo-European and Ojibway beliefs:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWfv23T2wc4

… since those can be linked through a distant past as we all shared the same "Ancient North Eurasian" ancestry:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ancient_North_Eurasian

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One can but marvel at the Celtic designs and the amazing artistry seen in the grave goods.
But of course, we are talking about the Bronze Age and not about the Mesolithic & Neolithic era.

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My closest ancient dna match comes from an island burial site (Yuzhnyy-Oleni-Ostrov) which is on the lake where ancestors practiced “swan cult”.

This is how they/we apparently were clothed in our finery:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/87/55...9760c2583d.jpg

Video what they sound like:
https://videos.dailymail.co.uk/video...1852860011.mp4

Article:
https://www.dailymail.co.uk/sciencet...ed-bodies.html

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[sentient]

16 ancient populations sampled … here is the genomic dna profile of those elk-teeth clothed dancing ancestors – “KareliaHG”:
http://abload.de/img/ehg5ezl5.png

They/we were a mixture of Western Hunter Gatherers (WHG) plus Ancient North Eurasian (ANE) i.e. the mammoth hunters of the Mammoth Steppe.

The other sample: “SamaraHG” was from a group of hunter gatherers near to where the Pre-Proto-Indo-Europeans started (mixing with CaucasusHGs).
These 2 samples made the genomic profile which we now know as or call the “EHG” (Eastern Hunter Gatherer).

As you see ImthatIm – the genetic profiles of those 2 are very similar. The difference came with the lifestyle.
We remained as fisher-hunter-gatherers of the forest zone, whereas the South Eastern group became steppe herders of the steppe grasslands zone.

Our ‘spirituality’ remained nondual ‘Cocoon-of-the-Creation’ - thus egalitarian with all creation, whereas the steppe herders having domesticated animals became more territorial, war-like and male-warrior-hierarchical.
Learning to ride horses and inventing the wheel gave those men more mobility and even more power …. and with those metal weapons – next step - the fertile lands of Neolithic farmer Europe were ripe for the picking.

Looks like

“they exterminated most of the men, (human sacrifice included) or at least reduced them to slavery. … As for women in warfare: to every man a damsel or two” ….

That is the Indo-European origin history of the Celts, if I have understood it correctly - who it seems retained their steppe-warrior-band-like warfare the longest (?)

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Meanwhile in our neck of the woods …
Because of this EHG-profile, people are now saying that the Saami are the latecomers from Siberia and they/we get a lot of racial hate, like they/we have always gotten from outsiders …
But no, this is not the true history as I understand it.

The polar North was first occupied (what was it?) 10-11000 years ago via ‘Norway’.
WHGs (carrying the U5 and V female lines and the male line I1 all the way from ice age refugia’s in Spain.
We mixed early on (no male lines were exterminated).

Only later and the earliest evidence of actual Siberian ancestry in Fennoscandia comes from Kola Peninsula (Bolshoy-Oleni-Ostrov) when these Siberians connected to "Ymyakhtakh Bronze culture", (the Pre Chukchi and Koryak people, also carrying Amerind dna) rocked in with their skin boats 4000 years ago:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ymyyakhtakh_culture

We mixed – well and truly. Saami still carrying most of that admixture of indigenous European WHG and indigenous Siberian.
Hence, we carry Siberian dna and our culture is related to Siberian Shamanism.

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I'll just carry on lol .....

Looking at the whole genome results of the Irish …
Irish populations during the Neolithic …. but then all the modern Irish - because of “population replacement” (x 2) are now descendants of the Bronze Age "Metal Invaders" to Europe:
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-jE8jnGLbWR...Affinities.png

So, one needs to go back and back and back to the origins of IEs themselves.
Which is also why those Rathlin samples carried some Amerind dna.

A sketch:
Y-dna Haplogroup R assumedly originated among the Upper Paleolithic Mammoth Hunters, the Ancient North Eurasians (ANE) & somewhere near Altai (?)
After which, moving Westward they became steppe herders.
Later Mixing with Western and Caucasus Hunter gatherers the Pre-Proto-Indo Europeans were ‘born’. (?)

From the origins near Altai, we all got our beliefs of the World Tree, the World Pole, the 3 Wolds Worldview …. Amerinds included.

Ref: The link I posted earlier
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gWfv23T2wc4

Unashamedly, as a bright eyed IE’n patriot – he makes me laff.
Not covering up the gory bits either (like somebody trying to charm the pants off a woman), he is informative, though at times gets things wrong imo..
Like @ 5:15 saying “Saami of Siberian origins” – when he should know better and say: “Saami of the dual, Western and Eastern origins”.

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When Maria Sabina recited her poetry:

Because you gave me your clock
Because you gave me your thought
Because I am a clean woman
Because I am a Cross Star woman
Because I am a woman who flies
I am the sacred eagle woman, says
I am the Lord eagle woman, says
I am the lady who swims, says
Because I can swim in the immense
Because I can swim in all forms
Because I am the launch woman
Because I am the sacred opposum
Because I am the Lord opossum
I am the woman Book that is beneath the water, says
I am the woman of the populous town, says
I am the shepherdess who is beneath the water, says
I am the woman who shepherds the immense, says
I am a shepherdess and I come with my shepherd, says
Because everything has its origin
And I come going from place to place from the origin.

…. I thought Maria was a bit up herself, until I realized she was channelling the mushroom or was it the plant Deity.

From 25:12 – 27:40 in the above video:

Mighty Bull of the Earth … Horse of the Steppes!
I the mighty bull, bellow!
I, the horse of the steppes, neigh!
I, the man set above all other beings!
I, the man most gifted of all!
I the man created by the master, all powerful!

Similarly, here the person was channelling the shamanic entity, which enters the shaman-to-be during the ‘initial empowerment’ - which gives the shaman his/her ability of ‘supernatural’ flight … but the Jive person seems to take it quite literally lol.

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Listening to the Amerind Mound Builders worldview of earlier videos; - they talk about 2 souls, which makes things easy to understand.
In addition to this there is the belief of an animal spirit totem entering the person at birth – no?

It just made me realize just recently, that is perhaps what we call the 3rd soul …. though I think, we got it from our maternal side …

The Horse is the 4th soul ... which a-shaman-to-be is gifted with by “Creator” during the “Shamanic-Death-Experience”, when the shaman is born.

The Horse is the” Holy Icon of that Power”, like the icon of Christ is the icon of “Christ Consciousness”. And one should not mistake the 'finger pointing at the moon for the moon itself'.

So, from those Ancient North Eurasian times – the Spiritual Shamanic or Sacred meaning of the Horse must have had its origins …

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Originally Posted by sentient

Newgrange 'God-Kings':
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kUHV-H8OVrg

This information in the vid. above doesn't surprise me.

All this information(Europe) seems very complex and hard for me to get my head around it all.
The more I learn from different people that study these things the more confused I get.
My mind, I guess really just wants a simple story. It is obvious there is not one.
So it does not seem I can add much to this conversation.
Though I can say Happy Solstice, I can't wait for Spring says my old bones.

[sentient]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

This information in the vid. above doesn't surprise me.

Yeah. The farmer migrators to mainland Europe & Ireland built the megaliths to say that “we/our family lines now own/govern this piece of land … or this is our territory” so they did inbreed…. And genetically they were all similar to Ballynahatty woman.
... Until the Indo-Europeans came and replaced that farmer population by 90% they say.
Now genetically modern population of Ireland are all similar to Rathlin Island grave finds.
Modern Irish aren’t inbred.
https://www.pnas.org/content/pnas/11.../F3.medium.gif

I relate to Rathlin1 and Rathlin1 at a glance seems to relate to many of the ancient samples in Europe… BR2 Hungary, NE1 Hungary, LBK Stuttgart, Loschbour Luxembourg, Bichon Switzerland plus Kotias Georgia … Ust-Ishmin Russia:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XhY40xhuQkw

At a glance Rathlin2 and 3 do not seem to relate to any ancient populations in Europe, only BR2 Hungary 3.2ky, Samara Russia and Ust-ishim Russia …

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

All this information(Europe) seems very complex and hard for me to get my head around it all.
The more I learn from different people that study these things the more confused I get.
My mind, I guess really just wants a simple story. It is obvious there is not one.

I know, I know, plus DNA science turned everything we thought we knew about history on its head.
Everything became way too bewildering and overwhelming all at once.
It was years and years ago, when I took my DNA test, and only very slowly did some bigger pictures start to form, still probably getting it all wrong here and there.

From this video you can see how we up North were quite blissfully oblivious to all the goings on down South and mainland Europe:
European history year by year (turn down the volume):
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UY9P0QSxlnI

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

So it does not seem I can add much to this conversation.

This search into the Irish taught me quite a lot about the European mainland Bronze Age.
Now I understand the Swedes a little bit better as well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eQQDsEgm9oA

Happy Solstice to yous too!

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[sentient]

Originally Posted by ImthatIm

My mind, I guess really just wants a simple story. It is obvious there is not one.

Modern Irish are genetically similar to Rathlins, who were of the Bell Beaker Culture, who in turn originally came from the Eurasian Steppe.

That is the thread to follow back to the origins of “horse, wheel, metals” …
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/563896...in-stonehenge/

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But what I cannot understand is why people still want to deny and dispute the European origins of the Saami:
https://www.familytreedna.com/groups/saami/about

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