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Old 18-01-2022, 07:16 AM
hazada guess hazada guess is offline
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Viswa.......You obviously have a lot to learn,take care.
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Old 18-01-2022, 08:29 AM
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Viswa.......You obviously have a lot to learn,take care.

May be the 'action/thoughts/body/mind' have to learn about 'world/anything', for survival,
but
'ME' has nothing to learn and just witness.

2000 years ago, there was no things to learn, just devotion to 'son/etc..' made a peaceful life (eating, working, sleeping and attain Moksha in the end), and some 'jnanis' (they didn't know about Machines/technologies/etc.., they didn't have the knowledge of 'perfect cure' for all diseases, they didn't went for to enjoy the 'beauties' of flowers/mountains/etc..) - really seen there is no 'beauty/ugly/good/bad/right/misdeeds' to learn/to do. They took their place to mountains/caves, and transcended. Does that mean 'they didn't fulfilled any purpose? They didn't lived the right way of life??'

Some 'jnanis' travelled all the way - to spread their knowledge/perception, which they 'thought' different from 'already available'. Their perception differed. But everyone seed the same 'to cut the bondage to world/universe'.

Even the Quantum Mechanics, points to this "nothing remains the same and keeps on fluctuating, and you can learn only by 'fixing' one thing, comparing it with another in assumption to 'TIME', and create a new perception".

Can you express what 'you' learnt in this life, and 'what' changed in 'life' after that 'learning', and so you stress 'lot to learn'?. It's all a belief/seeking.

All learning you seek, is bound to limitations, though it maybe "Right Knowledge/view/etc.." is all gonna end........

Also, Buddha - he didn't seeked Learning. He seeked "what is all this?", and then he enlightened. In that enlightenment, he come to get all knowledge about 'Karma/lifes/reincarnations/etc..'

If you want to seek something, then seek Knowledge/Liberation/Moksha, and in that enlightenment, every reincarnation of your's and many things come to be known, without any 'interest/desire' to it. It's like a Gold to a Sannyasi.

Seeking something bound to life/experience/universe/pleasure/lessons, is nothing but giving a head to be slayed again and again, forgetting that already it has been slayed many times.

Or Seek not, and remain Peaceful and witness the Play of three gunas.

"Seeking Knowledge/Liberation/God" - is the domination of Sattvic Guna (seen in real monks,disciples,brahmins,etc..)
"Seeking Life/Universe/Good/Experience/Lessons" - is the domination of Rajasic Guna (Seen in fake Monks, Kings, person Loves Humanity, etc..)
"Seeking Laziness" - is the domination of Tamasic Guna. (you know where can be seen)

All things in this world seen, is bound to these gunas. All words/perceptions/Paths/beliefs/Gospels/Vedas uttered even by enlightened one, is bound to the 'Sattvic Guna'.

Everything occupies 33%, and so the remaining 1% is 'seeking'. If one seeks one of the above three, that 'one' dominates 'other two'.

If the remaining 1% is left free, without seeking to learn/achieve/desire anything, then there is all these gunas balanced and "PEACE".

"Bhagavat Gita Chapter 14, verse 20
गुणानेतानतीत्य त्रीन्देही देहसमुद्भवान् |
जन्ममृत्युजरादु:खैर्विमुक्तोऽमृतमश्रुते || 20||

guṇān etān atītya trīn dehī deha-samudbhavān
janma-mṛityu-jarā-duḥkhair vimukto ’mṛitam aśhnute

By transcending the three modes of material nature associated with the body, one becomes free from birth, death, old age, and misery, and attains immortality".

"Bhagavat Gita Chapter 14, verse 22-23
श्रीभगवानुवाच |
प्रकाशं च प्रवृत्तिं च मोहमेव च पाण्डव |
न द्वेष्टि सम्प्रवृत्तानि न निवृत्तानि काङ् क्षति || 22||
उदासीनवदासीनो गुणैर्यो न विचाल्यते |
गुणा वर्तन्त इत्येवं योऽवतिष्ठति नेङ्गते || 23||

śhrī-bhagavān uvācha
prakāśhaṁ cha pravṛittiṁ cha moham eva cha pāṇḍava
na dveṣhṭi sampravṛittāni na nivṛittāni kāṅkṣhati
udāsīna-vad āsīno guṇair yo na vichālyate
guṇā vartanta ity evaṁ yo ’vatiṣhṭhati neṅgate

The Supreme Divine Personality said: O Arjun, The persons who are transcendental to the three guṇas neither hate illumination (which is born of sattva), nor activity (which is born of rajas), nor even delusion (which is born of tamas), when these are abundantly present, nor do they long for them when they are absent. They remain neutral to the modes of nature and are not disturbed by them. Knowing it is only the guṇas that act, they stay established in the self, without wavering."

"Bhagavat Gita Chapter 14, verse 24-25
समदु:खसुख: स्वस्थ: समलोष्टाश्मकाञ्चन: |
तुल्यप्रियाप्रियो धीरस्तुल्यनिन्दात्मसंस्तुति: || 24||
मानापमानयोस्तुल्यस्तुल्यो मित्रारिपक्षयो: |
सर्वारम्भपरित्यागी गुणातीत: स उच्यते || 25||

sama-duḥkha-sukhaḥ sva-sthaḥ sama-loṣhṭāśhma-kāńchanaḥ
tulya-priyāpriyo dhīras tulya-nindātma-sanstutiḥ

mānāpamānayos tulyas tulyo mitrāri-pakṣhayoḥ
sarvārambha-parityāgī guṇātītaḥ sa uchyate

Those who are alike in happiness and distress; who are established in the self; who look upon a clod, a stone, and a piece of gold as of equal value; who remain the same amidst pleasant and unpleasant events; who are intelligent; who accept both blame and praise with equanimity; who remain the same in honor and dishonor; who treat both friend and foe alike; and who have abandoned all enterprises – they are said to have risen above the three guṇas".

Namaste

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Old 18-01-2022, 08:54 AM
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If the remaining 1% is left free, without seeking to learn/achieve/desire anything, then there is all these gunas balanced and "PEACE".

And boredom.

Namaste.
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Old 18-01-2022, 09:14 AM
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And boredom.

It reminds me of a saying in Katho Upanishad, were Yama offers many things and when every things is rejected by Nachiketa and he seeks only Knowledge, Yama said "There is Pleasurable(Rajas) and Preferable(Sattvic)"...

So, Boredom...Now I understand, what you really seek (the domination of Rajasic). Bless you to escape boredom/"PEACE" and attain the limitations of pleasure and suffer, like GOD blessed you giving the life, to seek actions/lessons/life/universe/any materials-attain-suffer the limitations,
or
Does he Blessed you to "Return to Him negating everything"??

Does my posts looks mean??. Sorry, Sattvic (Preferable) dominates, so can't hide the truth of "sufferings of limitations" in Blessings.

Namaste.

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Old 18-01-2022, 10:55 AM
Ewwerrin Ewwerrin is offline
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Luckily...
... channels.
Spirit is consciousness they can hear you, see you, know and and be aware of your every thought and offer endless compassion and love, but they are of pure positive energy, so whenever human feels anything less than absolute joy, emotionally, energy motionally human cannot consciously receive what is being offered from non-physical. That doesn't mean we are not connected, but the connection we have, even to our own spirit/soul, is very miniscule and mostly behind a "veil". That veil is not really a thing. It is vibrational. Relative. It can be "overcome" so to speak, even during dark ages, by many like prophets and such. But that is simply part of the balancing mechanism of the never ending cycles upon cycles.
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